Super Dollfie Dream®?

  Kumi said:

  Halcyon said:

http://wersaze.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-188.html

 

The increased mobility that silicone parts add to the DD2 is just superb. Too bad a set of all the silicone body parts (excluding the head) is overpriced at $12,000 (it costs way more than a life-size silicone CandyGirl). Was the price, [$12,000], the starting price or the ending price?

 

Don't trust Google translations too much (why it translates jen to dollars is beyond me...)

It's 12500 JPY (~$160), probably it was starting price or maybe even "Buy It Now".

That explains it. $12,000 for a full 1/3 silicone body is just way too unreasonable.

 

  Halcyon said:

  Kumi said:

Really, I never heard anyone sanded their resin bjd to remove the yellowing. And because yellowing occurs more or less in the whole resin, even beneath the surface, You cannot simply remove the yellowed part. Besides, it's a LOT of work, and may be VERY unhealthy (PU resin is toxic).

And for the face, You will not only remove the faceup, but also change the shape. And probably damage the thin part like eyelids...

 

Sanding service, available from bjd companies, is meant to remove the seam lines from the casting.

Some people don't like them and want their doll to be smooth like a baby

I'll get back to you on this. I have to talk to my source first, you see.

It works ~ sanding a resin head will remove the yellowing. And, the person doing the sanding will, indeed, have to wear a protective mask.

 

Regarding the eyelids, a thin layer from both of the eyelids will be cut, and then the area underneath these layers will be sanded. The eyelids will be wider, but no greater than half of a millimeter.

 

Pardon me for the late reply. If you have any more question, do let me know.

I wonder what a dollfie dream would be like made out of ABS plastic? Hujoo recently released a BJD made put of ABS plastic and It seems like the same method could be applied to a dollfie dream. If I remember correctly ABS doesn't stain as easily as vinyl becuase it is less porous. It would be interesting to see!

Would seem cheap imo.

Well, sanding will remove yellowing, but the resin changes color not only on the surface.

At some point, You will have to remove too thick layer of resin to get close to the original color.

In most cases, You can only remove it partially without the risk of damaging it.

And the small parts like ears, eyelids and hands/fingers change the color too, in most cases the most, because body is covered by clothes, for example.

I have a resin bjd so I know what I'm talking about

 

Not to mention the tanned and other "colored" resins - in most cases sanding them is not recommended at all.

 

DD has internal skeleton made from ABS, so the joints too. Compared to vinyl, they don't look that good.

They're shiny and "placticky". And hard to touch. Don't think it will look good.

I've been gradually making the switch from resin-kids over to Dollfie Dreams.

 

They're just so much...better I hate to say. Resin is so fragile and it makes me worry whenever I pose my dolls that something might break. I know that's silly because they aren't -that- fragile...but it still makes me worry. I like my Dollfie Dreams because I can take them out and pose them without worrying too much if they have a little tumble. Now of course the staining issue isn't fun, but new external parts are easy enough to order. With some resin dolls it's hard to find the parts you're looking for in stock.

  Kumi said:

Well, sanding will remove yellowing, but the resin changes color not only on the surface.

At some point, You will have to remove too thick layer of resin to get close to the original color.

In most cases, You can only remove it partially without the risk of damaging it.

I have a resin bjd so I know what I'm talking about

Different types of resin yellow at different rates (inside and out). How fast the surface yellows compared to how fast the inside yellows varies depending on the type of resin that was used. For example, the resin that SQ Lab used yellows faster on the outside than the resin that Volks used. However, for the resin that SQ Lab used, does the inside yellows as fast as the outside? What exactly did Volks add to their resin materials to make them so resistant to yellowing? How much exposure to UV-ray would it take for 1 mm of the resin to yellow? How long would it take for the next mm to yellow?

 

Or, does resin yellow - inside and out - at the same rate?

 

  Kumi said:

And the small parts like ears, eyelids and hands/fingers change the color too, in most cases the most, because body is covered by clothes, for example.

Hands/fingers can be replaced by new ones, but ears and eyelids can't. Compared to the eyelids, the ears aren't usually exposed to the sun and its UV-ray; ears are usually covered by the hair/wig in most instances. Thus, the ears yellow less and you don't have to sand it as much as you would to the eyelids to get rid of the yellowing.

 

  Kumi said:

Not to mention the tanned and other "colored" resins - in most cases sanding them is not recommended at all.

Actually, it's not recommended to sand any type of resin - sanding of any resin material should be done by professionals only. All the dusts and particles created from the sanding are toxic - everyone/anyone SHOULD NOT inhale them.

 

"Tanned and colored" resins are the same as the "normal" colored resin. They ALL are not the natural resin color. Like the tanned-skin color, the "normal" *color of a Super Dollfie® was added when the resin was in clear liquid form.

 

*Color dyes were added into clear resin mixture to make the resin look like it does.

 

Most surfboards are made of resin. If anyone go into a shop that sells surfboards, he/she would see so many different colored surfboards. All those surfboards were once a big mixture of clear resin.

 

  Kumi said:

DD has internal skeleton made from ABS, so the joints too. Compared to vinyl, they don't look that good.

They're shiny and "placticky". And hard to touch. Don't think it will look good.

Or, you can just buy a new Super Dollfie® body. Going through the trouble of sanding a whole resin body or have someone else do it is not worth it.

 

Going through the trouble of sanding an SQ Lab head may not even be worth it to many other people. However, some doll enthusiasts consider a doll's soul to be in its head. If they want to sand their doll's head (considering that they know what they are doing) or send their doll's head to a professional, I wouldn't stop them. I'm just telling them that the option exists.

 

Super Dollfie Dream®! Alright, back on track.

Well, these silicone 1/3 bodies are released three years ago, but I'm going to post 'em anyway.

 

In my vision for a Super Dollfie Dream®, I'm going to start out with the following video:

[Work-Friendly] -

 

It's a 1/3 doll by Real Missing Link. The hands/fingers look a little out of proportion, but the rest of the body looks fine.

 

Next, let's touch on Arte Tokio's line of silicone 1/3 bodies, which is currently out of production. I don't know when Arte Tokio will start producing again, but as of now, a few of Arte Tokio's 1/3 silicone bodies are still available in the second-hand market.

 

!!!! [NOT Work-Friendly] [Caution! Nudity!] [Kids, Don't Peek!] [Not For The Unprepared] !!!!

 

[Mature-Only] ~ http://www.artetokio.com/english/products.html ~ Go to '1/3 Silicone Seamless Body' Section.

 

[Baldylox-Only] - Continued

baldylox, you will LOVE this body~: http://www.artetokio.com/english/arte060ppD.html

 

<--(baldylox on the farthest right, Averis in the middle, and me on the farthest left)

 

The Arte Tokio body comes with two head joints:

(Dollfie Dream® uses the right head joint)

 

Averis, would a Dollfie Dream® head on a 1/3 silicone body still be considered a "Dollfie Dream"? Say, if the silicone Dollfie Dream® (1/3 silicone body with Dollfie Dream® head) put on clothes, it would be pretty difficult to tell the difference between the former and a normal Dollfie Dream® in photos.

  Halcyon said:

Averis, would a Dollfie Dream® head on a 1/3 silicone body still be considered a "Dollfie Dream"? Say, if the silicone Dollfie Dream® (1/3 silicone body with Dollfie Dream® head) put on clothes, it would be pretty difficult to tell the difference between the former and a normal Dollfie Dream® in photos.

 

We could take a community vote, but my first reaction is that it would be fine. The definition of what is an acceptable Dollfie Dream can't be so narrow to just include whole Dollfie Dreams or only original DDs (painted and clothes) from Volks when a big part of the hobby is about customization. In this case, since the head is usually the most vital part of a DD, I think it would be fine. Though, others might disagree.

I think a 1/3 silicone body with a Dollfie Dream® head should be viewed as acceptable, but I wouldn't call it a Dollfie Dream®. Super Dollfie Dream (the 'S' in 'Super' stands for silicone), maybe? I'm kidding. Spiritually, I see the head as the most vital part, but I think it's the base body that determines whether or not a doll is a Dollfie Dream®.

 

What is everyone's opinion on this? What makes a "Dollfie Dream" a Dollfie Dream? Should we consider any other type of doll as acceptable if the head used for the non-Dollfie Dream body is a "Dollfie Dream" head. Should a SQ-Lab head be considered as a "Dollfie Dream" head?

I asked just that question some time ago at DoA. And the answer is not very clear

 

I think, DD have some unique "style". And a very broad one, compare the 01 head with Alna, for example, and You will see a world of difference. And the several body versions.

For me, DD (I-III,dy,S,MDD...) body and DD head (modded or not) is ok, the same for custom head like SQ on DD body.

At least one vital part has to be from Volks DD line and the overall style has to match.

DD body with "classic" resin head (human-like) is not a DD for me. It's more a bjd hybrid.

Silicone body with Volks DD head is acceptable, but somewhere here goes the border.

Silicone + SQ, for example, is more on the other side - is not made by Volks anymore...

But maybe we shouldn't make the borders to our dreams, I mean Dollfie Dreams...

I think the important part for "Dollfie Dream" is the anime aesthetic, not the material it's made of - but that's just me!

I suppose that at least one of the parts must be from Volks.

  Suzuna said:

I think the important part for "Dollfie Dream" is the anime aesthetic, not the material it's made of - but that's just me!

 

I agree with this statement a lot. I find the point that Volks obviously decided to make 1/3 scale anime girls the core of what I think most of us call Dollfie Dreams. Granted, the vast majority of these dolls are from Volks. If there was another large company to come out and make a popular anime style doll then we may need to see about ironing out specifics about what's accepted on the forum or not. Just an idea.

 

  Halcyon said:

Next, let's touch on Arte Tokio's line of silicone 1/3 bodies, which is currently out of production. I don't know when Arte Tokio will start producing again, but as of now, a few of Arte Tokio's 1/3 silicone bodies are still available in the second-hand market.

 

I thought I would bring up Tokyo Doll which to me seems to be taking up where Arte Tokio left off - or perhaps it's the same company under a new brand?

 

WARNING: Their site also has many nude dolls and some are of the Loli variety. I wouldn't call any of it pornographic, just showing off their dolls, but some people may be offended.

http://www.tokyodoll.biz/

 

They have an obvious Hatsune Miku doll that is just adorable!:

 

Read for the bad news? They are expensive. The Hatsune Miku above, with body make up and wires in her individual fingers is about $1300.

 

The biggest problem I have with the silicone bodies isn't the price as much as they tend to bend in odd ways at the joints. The silicone "flesh" doesn't bend naturally as you can see in this girls arm:

 

 

It's not terrible but after spending so much on the body I'm not sure if this drawback is worth the money compared to visible joints?

 

**James.

  OtakuDepot said:

The biggest problem I have with the silicone bodies isn't the price as much as they tend to bend in odd ways at the joints. The silicone "flesh" doesn't bend naturally as you can see in this girls arm

 

If they had a better frame then that would not take place. They only have a wire frame, that is how they can bend in odd shapes.

My biggest problem with silicon dolls like Tokyo Doll is that after spending all that money, you still get a very visible seam line right at the side. If the joints are distracting on DDs, then the seam lines really kills it for these silicon dolls. I know it's a very tiny seam and a lot of people say you can hardly see it. But to me unless it's completely seamless it's not worth the current price point.

Those silicone dolls remind me of a Takara Jenny doll I had that had the same type of structure. I'd never want one of those as a larger, more expensive doll though -- if you bend the wire enough, I bet it will eventually get all funky and break. That Jenny doll eventually got a knee that just didn't bend quite right.

 

I wish Tokyo Doll sold their heads separately though! I'd love to stick one on a DD body, which I assume would be possible since the bodies can take DD heads. Like SQ lab they really seem to have that anime look down.

 

Going back to the idea of resin DD's, there really aren't many resin dolls with an anime look! Though Leekeworld Anna has a very anime-like face, and goodness knows my Volks Nono fits right in with DD's. It's funny, Nono is my all-time favorite girl, but I have always been drawn to DD Rin. One day my sister pointed out that Nono and Rin looked like they could be sisters . . . and suddenly it all made sense! (granted, my Nono has a much less cutesy look than most do)

  fenrir z78 said:

  OtakuDepot said:

The biggest problem I have with the silicone bodies isn't the price as much as they tend to bend in odd ways at the joints. The silicone "flesh" doesn't bend naturally as you can see in this girls arm

 

If they had a better frame then that would not take place. They only have a wire frame, that is how they can bend in odd shapes.

  phoenix said:

My biggest problem with silicon dolls like Tokyo Doll is that after spending all that money, you still get a very visible seam line right at the side. If the joints are distracting on DDs, then the seam lines really kills it for these silicon dolls. I know it's a very tiny seam and a lot of people say you can hardly see it. But to me unless it's completely seamless it's not worth the current price point.

I agree with you two.

 

The only thing that bothers me about the current generation of 1/3 silicone dolls is the unnatural look of the bended joints. Say, if Volks developed a 1/3 silicone Dollfie Dream® (anime-style body) with an internal skeletal structure, I would cry tears of joy. I love vinyl, but I adore silicone~ I wouldn't mind the increased margin in price.

  phoenix said:

My biggest problem with silicon dolls like Tokyo Doll is that after spending all that money, you still get a very visible seam line right at the side. If the joints are distracting on DDs, then the seam lines really kills it for these silicon dolls. I know it's a very tiny seam and a lot of people say you can hardly see it. But to me unless it's completely seamless it's not worth the current price point.

 

I know what you are saying. But from a makes view. To get it to be seamless you need a one part mold. Then you have to get a wire frame in the mold and there is only one opening that si at the top of the neck. There is no way you can do it. That seam can be removed by cuting and sanding the body once it has been demolded. I know this becouse I am going to have this very same problem with a project that I am working on. I tip my hat to the people that make those dolls. It is not ez to make a silicon body that size and not have defect in it.

I think there is a new one on DD blog, they told SDD.

Resin DD? She looks like Moe. Sorry if I am wrong.

You're right.

It's next one-off for charity auction at Dolpa - http://www.volks.co.jp/jp/event/dolpa26/charity_da.html

The page says it's Moe head and SDGr body, plus faceup and dress.

 

Edited July 7, 2017 by Guest

Wow, the face-up makes a huge difference -- I didn't recognise the mold as Moe. Too much make-up for my tastes.

She's stunning!

  PrettyCranium said:

Too much make-up for my tastes.

Same for me.

But I really would like to see some other SDD girls

I do love the dress that one off is wearing, so very pretty *o*

 

Moe?! She looks stunning! And, those eyelashes are so lovely~!

 

  Innocentsake said:

I do love the dress that one off is wearing, so very pretty *o*

Me too! I think it's a very beautiful and elegant dress!