Recasted BJDs/DDs/Others

I'm not so sure. Someone has Snow Miku to compare the face, box etc?

And it's not made in China, the listing says Made in Japan.

 

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.7f837d6eYkC1Ip&id=581447863248&ns=1&abbucket=13#detail

 

The store was established in 2011 and has opened a physical store in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong.

Main selling: Japanese toys, movie peripheral products, American comic doll toys, and so on. All goods in this store are genuine brand goods, welcome to inquire.

Shop Address: Room 1204-1206, 12th Floor, Lishi Commercial Building, 5~11, Jialanwei, Granville Road, Tsim Sha Tsui.

 

I don't know what head that is...The mouth and the nose seem completely different from Miku to me. I can maybe see some similarity in the eye shape, but the faceup makes it hard to tell. Seeing a bald picture of this one on another site too makes the forehead also look too large, but again...could just be the faceup. I can't say for sure.

 

I don't know if I'm really convinced this one is an actual recast...The rest of it looks legit(although poorly put together), but maybe it's made of the wrong material and I can't tell that through a photo. Not really sure to make of this.(Other than I'm pretty peeved if recast DDs are becoming a thing. I want to hope that's not what this is. I like that there's not this issue in the vinyl side of the hobby.)

 

Poofiemus has good photos of a blank Miku if anyone can make out anything from comparing that. I know I don't have a good eye for these things, even with my own Miku in front of me.

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It honestly looks like a maybe modded miku (eyes opened) with a face-up to imitate the original? It could even just be the face-up making her seem really different (or both). It kinda reminds me of the Miku I owned so I dunno.

 

They probably just can't tell it isn't an official Miku (if it is just another head customized for it). Lack of knowledge of DD's and how to recognize them could lead to that misunderstanding. If you specialize in only figures then this wouldn't be something you would know very well.

 

I just am pretty sure this isn't a case of recasting. Just customization and lack of knowledge.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Guest

I've seen this posted quite a number of times by various people on FB. The sales page is of course very shady and it isn't the first time I've seen something like this on TaoBao. It's always a good idea to make people aware of shady listings. But what I don't agree on is confirming that what looks like a custom DD in these pictures is a confirmed recast (in PVC as stated in the listing) as I have seen the postings of this saying. Pictures and a listing stating it's made of PVC do not prove anything unless someone has seen the doll in these pictures in person or actually receives their order from this seller (the listing says there are 2 pieces in stock). Anyone can easily take pictures of their doll and make a listing stating as much.

 

The wig/outfit/accessories/box after comparing it to Volks/Owner pictures appears to be the official Snow Miku items from Volks. And they are using this custom to pass it off as an official Snow Miku DD since that's how the listing appears to be selling it as. Like Noxxbunny I agree that it's really hard to tell if that head is the Miku sculpt since the photos aren't of high quality and the custom face-up makes it a little more difficult to tell. The body looks correct just that the arms need to be pushed in and the torso needs to be pushed down so the parts sit more flush against the other parts.

 

I'm also in agreement with Gunter about how the seller could possibly not be knowledgeable about Dollfie Dreams because if you look at their FB page their posts are artist vinyl toys/figures (actively posting):

 

https://www.facebook.com/ApeToyStore/

 

The price of the listing of 599 yuan is $87 USD roughly seems to be acting as a deposit for said doll. Someone who translated the text says that the arrival time is Nov 8th.

 

Like I said on FB, this is just a case of where you need to make sure to do your research before buying anything. Even though it started with good intentions, I feel like this listing has been blown out of proportion at least for now till more information and evidence appears.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Guest

I'm not sure if people already discussed this, but in our whatsapp group this listing came up:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-3-Super-Big-Dollfie-Dream-Hatsune-Miku-D-D-Volks-Figuren-Ohne-Kleinkasten/264022603993?hash=item3d78f938d9:g:FfIAAOSwcXpb3qu5:rk:21:pf:0

 

The pictures look like the real Miku, but they say everywhere "Made in China" and "Chinese Version" :/

 

I really wonder if recast are a thing now or if its really a "Custom made Miku" (they worked on in China, but bought in Japan)

From what I can gather on this Miku, it seems like what's going on is this:

 

Someone is making either ABS or PVC copies of Miku and plans to sell them as pre-orders. In order for this to work, they have set up photos that show REAL Volks body parts, accessories and clothing along with an obvious custom head and reprinted/copied box.

 

Please note that the amount of money they are asking for is the DOWN PAYMENT for the dolls. It's around $80 or so in USD. This is where things are interesting because basically they are showing you one thing and then once the dolls are ready and you pay the difference to get them, you WILL NOT be getting what you see in those pics. You'll be getting the cheap, shoddy, craptastic PVC or ABS copy along with trashy awful clothing. It seems to be a classic bait and switch scheme to me.

 

And by them stating up front that this is a "Chinese Version" they are covering their butts when people get something that's not what they expected. At least that's what all the info presented thus far is spelling out to me.

 

I could be wrong and this IS the first try at someone actively trying to mass produce fake DD girls. It's *possible* that it could happen because DD's have been around for a long time now. Making real vinyl dolls isn't easy or cheap but if someone really wanted to make the investment in a similar process then it's not out of the realm of possibility. I personally pray it's not that tho. I'm hoping it's just a scam for super cheap plastic fakes of terrible quality. I guess all we can do now is wait and see what actually comes out of this.

 

 

 

Billy

The difference between Chineese and Japanese nowadays? Japanese evolves copy.

The difference between Chinese and Japanese nowadays?

Yes, you can get high quality dolls from many Chinese companies. However many Chinese companies think nothing of violating copyrights, whereas Japanese companies rarely do.

From what I can gather on this Miku, it seems like what's going on is this:

 

Someone is making either ABS or PVC copies of Miku and plans to sell them as pre-orders. In order for this to work, they have set up photos that show REAL Volks body parts, accessories and clothing along with an obvious custom head and reprinted/copied box.

 

Please note that the amount of money they are asking for is the DOWN PAYMENT for the dolls. It's around $80 or so in USD. This is where things are interesting because basically they are showing you one thing and then once the dolls are ready and you pay the difference to get them, you WILL NOT be getting what you see in those pics. You'll be getting the cheap, shoddy, craptastic PVC or ABS copy along with trashy awful clothing. It seems to be a classic bait and switch scheme to me.

 

And by them stating up front that this is a "Chinese Version" they are covering their butts when people get something that's not what they expected. At least that's what all the info presented thus far is spelling out to me.

 

I could be wrong and this IS the first try at someone actively trying to mass produce fake DD girls. It's *possible* that it could happen because DD's have been around for a long time now. Making real vinyl dolls isn't easy or cheap but if someone really wanted to make the investment in a similar process then it's not out of the realm of possibility. I personally pray it's not that tho. I'm hoping it's just a scam for super cheap plastic fakes of terrible quality. I guess all we can do now is wait and see what actually comes out of this.

 

I'd guess most of this is on target. The only thing I'd mention is that the listings I've seen are not for pre-orders or down payments, but seem to be full payment for the item. Here's one on US ebay. It seems to be the same item. No mention of pre-order.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hatsune-Miku-Anime-Snow-Miku-SD-Change-Clothes-Movable-Virtual-Idol-Figure-60cm/382617609887?hash=item5915c9669f:g:VuAAAOSwrpJb3aCE:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

 

This listing says "high quality PVC". So we're basically looking at a supersized bootleg figma here.

Gabriel Thanks for the information! Macaron Doll on FB translated some of the text from the TaoBao listing and it stated that stock would arrive on Nov. 8th and that it was necessary to pre-order which is why we have been referring to the TaoBao listing as them asking for a deposit instead of a whole amount. This is the first I've seen of this eBay listing, but it's definitely the same pictures. I don't think it's the same seller as the TaoBao one since they are asking for double the price and supposedly have the items in stock. But since they are using the same pictures there's probably some sort of connection.

 

I've gone ahead and gathered up all the information that has been found by the community and sent an e-mail to Volks USA so they are notified about these listings and can put forth their own investigation into the matter. I saw on Macaron Doll's page that they also sent an e-mail to Volks International about everything as well.

 

I'm not sure if people already discussed this, but in our whatsapp group this listing came up:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-3-Super-Big-Dollfie-Dream-Hatsune-Miku-D-D-Volks-Figuren-Ohne-Kleinkasten/264022603993?hash=item3d78f938d9:g:FfIAAOSwcXpb3qu5:rk:21:pf:0

 

The pictures look like the real Miku, but they say everywhere "Made in China" and "Chinese Version" :/

 

I really wonder if recast are a thing now or if its really a "Custom made Miku" (they worked on in China, but bought in Japan)

I did a reverse image search on the photos they were using in their listing and they all came from this user's blog post:

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_40f078a90102wz4a.html

 

So this is your run of the mill "I stole these images and used em for my listing" kind of eBay listing so definitely do not purchase from this seller.

Hey everybody - not sure if this is the best place to share but I’ve noticed a seller on Mercari that appears to be recasting silicone busts, angel philia (least I think it is), and even Dollfie dream

 

Shouko Doll https://item.mercari.com/gl/m87760684846/

 

 

Of course now the other posts (one was of Snow Miku) and the silicone busts are now gone.

 

I know recasted DDs arent as big as say resin dolls but I’ve seen this seller with one that might have been a real recast.. But I give the warning that I couldn’t tell if the body or face was a recast or if it was just a customDD Head and legitimate Volks body as the post is now deleted. I just remember from looking I could tell the face was not Snow Miku. The post did have what looked like official clothing so it is highly possible it was at least half legit. I’m kicking myself for not taking screenshots

 

But in terms of this possible philia doll they had this same description for the busts

The photo is just an example. This is an msd bjd made from vinyl & resin. The doll takes 10-12 working days at most. They look semi simular to the photo. This is nude doll only. No eyes, no faceup, if you want faceup $70+ usd

Body blushing $30+

Layaway available

 

And what’s strange as they’re in the southeast (TN). I’d be curious if anyone ever actually bought the items that are now gone or if they are being reported within Mercari.

I am against recasts and I can't add anything else that hasn't already been said for why I feel this way.

 

People who are pro recast will always make excuses to justify their behavior and trying to make them see differently is pretty much futile. They will believe what they believe until something inside them clicks and they finally get it, if ever.

 

I feel like people as a whole have become more tolerant and desensitized as the years have gone by when it comes to this stuff. I have seen artists quit because their works has gotten stolen and people defend the thieves. It is sickening. Many people lack integrity and what they want is more important than doing the right thing.

Recasts are a punch in the face of real artists!

Disrespectful!

I won't buy one but one of my friends owns recast. Cus that's all she can afford. She gets ssi and doesn't have a job.