DD Joined/Once Piece Torso?

I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but could somebody tell me what the real appeal of one of the one piece torso is (other than the aesthetic)? I'm sure it's nicer to look at when it comes to tight fitting clothing and clothing that exposes the midriff, but how much does it limit poseability? I see lots of these on Mandarake all the time and I've just been wondering about them.

It is totally for the esthetic, in my opinion!!

 

I don't have one of the DD one piece torsos, but I have some Volks SD dolls, and obviously posability is limited. It all depends on what is most important to you. If you have a variety of DD girls with different figures, you probably wouldn't miss posability in one or two.

 

Linda S.

galatia9

What it's really good for is for skimpy/scantily clad outfits or bikinis. It does look a lot nicer for those kind of outfits though, I might end up getting one someday once I see an L bust for DDS one piece on Mandarake.

 

And yes, the posability is much more limited since the frame does not have the space(the seam between the chest and torso) to move a lot forward like the standard DD torso + chest.

Edited January 28, 2017 by Guest

I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but could somebody tell me what the real appeal of one of the one piece torso is (other than the aesthetic)? I'm sure it's nicer to look at when it comes to tight fitting clothing and clothing that exposes the midriff, but how much does it limit poseability? I see lots of these on Mandarake all the time and I've just been wondering about them.

 

There's two major advantages:

- no titty seam

- better leg posing allowing more natural sitting poses

 

I have it on my Saber and she loves showing off her bare body...

oh man, can't believe I get to dust off this ol' link again!

 

The one-piece torso is purely for aesthetics if your girl wears bikinis/lingerie a lot

be warned, certain posing will warp the body into a weird.. squish...

as this japanese blog shows!

http://fetishroom.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2012-08-13-2

galatia9-- do normal SD/resin SD dolls not have two piece torsos??

 

What it's really good for is for skimpy/scantily clad outfits or bikinis. It does look a lot nicer for those kind of outfits though, I might end up getting one someday once I see an L bust for DDS one piece on Mandarake.

 

Well, Mario, funny you mention that because I just happened to be browsing and...

https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1044798000&ref=list

 

There's two major advantages:

- no titty seam

- better leg posing allowing more natural sitting poses

 

Is "titty seam" technical term, rukitron? Hearing that dolls with these bodies sit better actually draws me in a bit though.

 

Thank you for the pictures, Chise-- with a web address like that, I figured what I'd see would be interesting

Those blog pictures were hilarious xD

 

Somehow i cant wrap my head around the fact that they look better in sitting position... somehow that doesnt make sense to me o.o

galatia9-- do normal SD/resin SD dolls not have two piece torsos??

Volks has some models that don't (like SD10 i believe?) and some that even have three pieces (look at SDgr). Other companies also, some do, some don't, some have both so you can choose (like Volks with DDs). I once had a single piece torso resin doll, it actually didn't bother me too much? It looked pretty and I had gotten it for that reason, so I didn't expect wonders from it from the get go.

galatia9-- do normal SD/resin SD dolls not have two piece torsos??

Volks has some models that don't (like SD10 i believe?) and some that even have three pieces (look at SDgr). Other companies also, some do, some don't, some have both so you can choose (like Volks with DDs). I once had a single piece torso resin doll, it actually didn't bother me too much? It looked pretty and I had gotten it for that reason, so I didn't expect wonders from it from the get go.

Right, Volks SD (also called SD9 or SD10 by the BJD community) have one piece torsos, although some limited models and FCS have two piece. SD13 have two piece torsos, and SD Graffiti have three piece. The vast majority of resin BJDs have two piece or three piece torsos, probably for ease of stringing as well as posability.

 

Linda S.

galatia9

- better leg posing allowing more natural sitting poses

 

be warned, certain posing will warp the body into a weird.. squish...

 

Do these two features have more to deal with the lack of the bust seam, or is there something else structurally different (like vinyl thickness; compared to the regular torso) that plays a role too?

Do these two features have more to deal with the lack of the bust seam, or is there something else structurally different (like vinyl thickness; compared to the regular torso) that plays a role too?

 

Yeah, I'd like to know this too, actually. Has a comparison thread ever been made?

Do these two features have more to deal with the lack of the bust seam, or is there something else structurally different (like vinyl thickness; compared to the regular torso) that plays a role too?

 

Yeah, I'd like to know this too, actually. Has a comparison thread ever been made?

 

Of course: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=11068

Of course: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=11068

 

Thanks for this, it helps!

It looks like the inner frame can be removed based on some of the links posted...? I wonder how easy it is to remove (to put on some coolcat parts)... Seems like it is a softer vinyl, but I can't confirm just by observation.

1 hour ago, neonhologram said:

It looks like the inner frame can be removed based on some of the links posted...? I wonder how easy it is to remove (to put on some coolcat parts)... Seems like it is a softer vinyl, but I can't confirm just by observation.

DozenDolls on Twitter have made a full swap of the inner frame in a one-piece torso to an f3's. So it can be done, but some effort is required.

10 hours ago, kct said:

DozenDolls on Twitter have made a full swap of the inner frame in a one-piece torso to an f3's. So it can be done, but some effort is required.

Whoa, can you link that tweet please?? The main reason why I decided to go with the DDIII frame is because of the one piece torso. If there's a shred of a chance to replace the skeletons, I might have to reevaluate my whole life. Lol

25 minutes ago, MaKayla_Panda said:

Whoa, can you link that tweet please?? The main reason why I decided to go with the DDIII frame is because of the one piece torso. If there's a shred of a chance to replace the skeletons, I might have to reevaluate my whole life. Lol

https://twitter.com/DozenDolls/status/1053991035972374528

https://twitter.com/DozenDolls/status/1053991035972374528

Be warned there might be some form of doll nudity. I already got an entire DDIII body to go with my own one piece torso, so the fact that it can be done is kind of moot for me.

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by kct

14 minutes ago, kct said:

https://twitter.com/DozenDolls/status/1053991035972374528

https://twitter.com/DozenDolls/status/1053991035972374528

Be warned there might be some form of doll nudity. I already got an entire DDIII body to go with my own one piece torso, so the fact that it can be done is kind of moot for me.

 

Thank you for the links! Based on the thread, it's possible but the posing limitations of the One Piece torso kind of just ruin the point of the new frame. But, it you're going for aesthetic, then it wouldn't make much of a difference either way. 

4 minutes ago, MaKayla_Panda said:

Thank you for the links! Based on the thread, it's possible but the posing limitations of the One Piece torso kind of just ruin the point of the new frame. But, it you're going for aesthetic, then it wouldn't make much of a difference either way. 

To be fair, if you check the posts around the one where the surgery is performed, the biggest changes would be the increased overall stability from posing of the DD due to the way the joints are redesigned. At this point it's a matter of "win some, lose some".

BTW you posted the same twitter link twice. I assume it was meant to be two different tweets.

https://twitter.com/DozenDolls/status/1053989367079817216

My bad, this was supposed to be the other link.

I have a DDS one piece torso and the body is a tad smaller than the regular  DDS body (I can't speak for the other sizes though) and that's the main reason why I got it. One of my dolls needed to be smaller than the regular DDS but not as small and young looking as the DDP size and the one piece torso made that possible. My dolls don't need crazy poseability so I don't mind the limitations. Ironically, the one piece torso is often used for bikini or sexy shots but my girl is very modest, the more skin she hides the better.

As I just recently got a one piece torso myself I wanted to make some comments and also am going to respond to some rather old posts here. I'm also going to reference this Japanese blog that was linked somewhere above: https://fetishroom.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2012-08-13-2 as well as an old thread here that has comparison pictures:

Based on what I could learn by looking at pictures and reading here and elsewhere, I expected to really like the one piece torso and probably prefer it in general. The loss of the body joint does limit some poseability but with a lot of the outfits I like bending much at the waist doesn't look so good anyway. I also liked, as seen in the pictures in that linked thread, that the waist isn't as small as the normal body, especially in how the spine tapers. I also thought that perhaps a lot of the Volks outfits that are really designed for SDGr might fit better due to this.

But now that I have the one piece, I'm kinda disappointed with it. It effectively accomplishes what it was made for i.e. bare midriff outfits, swimwear, lingerie etc. But I only have a single outfit with a bare midriff, and it still doesn't fit well enough to make me happy because it was designed for SDGr. The waist is larger but the dimensions are still enough smaller than SDGr that it doesn't make other outfits really fit any better either.

My main disappointment though, and what I had no idea about until getting this, is how the holes for the thighs are done. On the regular two piece torso that area is reinforced, fairly rigid, and has a shoulder (not best term) that the thigh skin parts rest in so the movement is somewhat smooth. The flanges and groove inside the crotch area on the regular body that supports the lower armature of the internal frame is completely missing as well. I suppose due to needing to be able to get the frame in and out, the one piece torso isn't made like this, and the leg holes are just the thickness of the vinyl, and obviously are trimmed by hand after the vinyl is cast. As my description probably doesn't give a good mental picture, the blog link above shows exactly what I'm talking about.

As any DD owner probably knows from experience, Volks trimming of the vinyl edges that they have to do by hand often leaves something to be desired and isn't overly consistent. On my particular one piece torso, one of the holes is clearly cut larger than the other one, and on that side there is always a gap around the thigh no matter how much I fiddle with it. I didn't intend to use this for swimwear or lingerie, but if I was going to do so this would be ugly.

With that said, I want to elaborate on this point:

On 1/28/2017 at 1:26 PM, Alterne said:

rukitron said:

- better leg posing allowing more natural sitting poses

Do these two features have more to deal with the lack of the bust seam, or is there something else structurally different (like vinyl thickness; compared to the regular torso) that plays a role too?

What I just described is why this is. There is nothing really changed about the shape of the body where the legs attach, but the one piece torso is so flimsy in the area you can distort the vinyl around the thighs more so you can have the doll lean further forward. I'd suspect if you left it that way for long enough the vinyl of the one piece torso would also likely permanently distort. That's my other worry, is that this body skin won't be as durable.

4 hours ago, jazijaz said:

I have a DDS one piece torso and the body is a tad smaller than the regular  DDS body (I can't speak for the other sizes though) and that's the main reason why I got it.

There seem to be various changes like this which is interesting. The one I got is the M bust DD one piece. The change in the waist size I suspect is there to accomodate putting the frame in, but there are some other changes that seem like are aesthetic or the sculptor just decided to be a bit different. The breast shape is a bit different than on the regular M bust, and the volume of the thigh/hip area seems to be larger as pants that I tried seemed to fit tighter.

For me, the conclusion I came to is the only real use here is the one they were desinged for, to look nice in outfits that expose the body seam. There are some real tradeoffs I think with how the thigh area of the body had to be changed to make the one piece body. Since I don't really have or want any outfits that expose the body seam, the one piece doesn't seem to really be for me.

Edited March 22, 2019 by cfx

1 hour ago, cfx said:

There seem to be various changes like this which is interesting. The one I got is the M bust DD one piece. The change in the waist size I suspect is there to accomodate putting the frame in, but there are some other changes that seem like are aesthetic or the sculptor just decided to be a bit different. The breast shape is a bit different than on the regular M bust, and the volume of the thigh/hip area seems to be larger as pants that I tried seemed to fit tighter.

They may have changed the breast shape to accommodate changes in the torso as a result of changes in the chest / waist side. Without having to slide one part over the other they undoubtedly had more freedom to sculpt. 

I don't really have issues with the gap at the thigh, but mine are usually on a stand standing upright.

32 minutes ago, BeyondTime said:

I don't really have issues with the gap at the thigh, but mine are usually on a stand standing upright.

This was standing too. In my case it's obvious Volks just cut the hole out too large on one side. Since all the vinyl parts vary a bit, it's also possible the particular thigh I used is shaped in a way to make the problem worse.

To add to my list of annoyances, this body part is not a good color match for the arms and legs I used. It's more pink, almost looks like SWS if I didn't have that to compare it directly to.

I'd post pictures but I'm unable to take any at this time.