MAGICAL MIRAI 2017 --DD Luka is Coming!!!!

All of my comments were based on my habit of not leaving our Kiddos as 'stock characters' no matter what Volks chooses to do with them during the production period.

 

~Sister Kyoya

 

Yeah believe me I get the whole customization thing. That's half the fun. The only thing I generally don't change is hair color, but changing hairstyles is totally one of the best things about them. I can have my Sakura Shinguji with her ponytail, or with a wig swap she can let her hair down.

 

This is how I tend to think of Luka, but only because I have a PVC of her that is very much like this.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Guest

I would love to see her on a dddy too, but she would need a custom bust... agreeing that she's just not THERE bust wise, haha. If Luka made them release a more natural/slightly smaller dddy bust so she could still have those hips I'd be over the moon!

 

Return of Yoko's natural bust: that's what we need!

 

agreed

when I said I can't see her as DDdy I meant I can't see Volks doing it, not 'I can't accept that and it's wrong')but rather that it's weird to (prematurely?) say Volks will 'mess up' by...making her look like the official art instead of fanart that makes her sexier.

 

One of the difficulties with Vocaloid is the fact that they started out as baseline voicebanks, free to use as the creator sees fit. Just like me using Oliver for Tama by spending a ton of time removing as much of the British sound to his pronunciations to make him sound American as possible. Long before the Project Diva, the Krypton Vocaloids were simply voices and a single bit of box art. But they have become pop culture icons (most especially Miku) not because of what the company did with them, but because the fandom took it and ran with the idea. If I remember right, Miku and the leek was triggered by a fanmade video. (Please forgive me if I've gotten the facts wrong. I'd say I'm an avid Vocaloid fan but the dedication and research to be a diehard fan is something I never aspired to. I just know I love Vocaloid in general because of how important my singing/music has been to me almost my entire life.)

 

So what I'm trying to say is that for some of us at least, the official art is ONE option and way to interpret the characters, but for me most of what I know and how my ideas of who these characters are is from YouTube videos, Google image search, and Pinterest. And yet again I will use Len as an example, that the finished DD looks nothing like his Volks box art (having to do with his sculpt.) So for me in this instance 'messed up' really was intended to mean 'very far from expectation.' (Weirdly to me at least is how spot on they got Rin. She's perfect.)

 

Much of the problems I was pointing out was me just more thinking out loud on paper on what potentially could be things that my need to be changed for Raven's Luka. I wasn't intending to have it sound like I expect Volks to have Luka be a complete fail in the design aspect. A lot of my comments were based on conversations that Raven and I have had for years. Some of what I wrote was specifically for Raven and my way of pointing out possible options depending on what he's looking for. I'm sorry if it came across as it sounding like I have nothing good to say, since we have not seen any official pics there is nothing for me to comment on of what was done well/accurate. Finding design problems ASAP is just how my mind works. I'd rather get the problems out of the way before setting down to deal with the more fun aspects.

 

Also, just out of curiosity... what is it about DDdy that makes her more mature and sexy to you personally?

 

Over time I have just naturally assigned age ranges to the various body types, even though my own Kiddos don't fit this 100% either. Here is roughly what it is:

MDD: Kindergarten to 5th grade (6-10 yrs.)

DDP/Obitsu 45cm: Middle school (11-13 yrs.)

DDS/DDS boy: High school (14-18 yrs.)

DD: High School to Adult (15+ yrs.)

DDdy: Adult (20+ yrs.)

 

Sometime the age fluctuates based on personality or based on the style of clothes. I'm sure some will think 6 years old is a bit of a stretch for the MDD, but since there is no shorter body, that's what I've had to default to for Bree. Her predominant style of clothes is 'toddler' or just baby clothes because it emphasizes a lot about her personality and mental ability. Her speech is basic and limited for a reason. And then there is Tama. I've said for years that he's 'short for his age' and I'm sure people have thought it was a bit weird. But based on the numbers above, he technically should be Obitsu 45cm size since he's 12. He should be the same height as Eddie, Rainie and Ringo, but he has always seemed small/little to me and he likes it that way. (I still too starkly remember how much he hated being on the 45cm body even though he loves using the male bust from that body on the MDD.)

 

My first reaction to your question was to say "Why is it more mature? It just is!" but obviously that's no explanation. So I asked Raven to answer the same question. For me it has a high percentage to do with the bust/waist/hip ratio.

 

 

For starters, here is a multi-body comparison pic that has a DDS next to a DDdyI, both have L Shapely busts. For me I cannot see the DDS any older than 17 (Naiomi's age) because it is the oldest yet most slender body (with the 'twig' waist) reminding me of high school. That is pretty much the point when 'adult' bodies for girls are their most slender, in part because they are not done growing. DD bodies look like they are starting to fill out, and the DDdy continue in that line because female bodies pack on the weight in certain areas to create better 'child bearing' bodies. I know I think things through too much but I could have worse habits. Another one of our DD that doesn't fit the mold quite like I wish she would is Bea. I tried so hard to have her be a DDdy but she would have none of it, even though she is supposed to be 5+ years older than Dakota. So I frequently see Bea as being unusually skinny since I still think she should be a DDdy. Knowing her, she forcibly keeps herself skinny (since Barbie's body was never realistic in the first place.) Another interpretation is that Bea is trying to keep her high school body even though she's inching towards her 30s.

 

So the DDS bust/waist/hip ratio is more slender overall with the waist being super slender but the shoulders are also narrower. Even though the DD body has a more 'classic hourglass' figure with the L bust, to me it also looks severely corseted at the waist as if she is tightlacing with an underbust corset. The DDdy is a more natural/realistic body proportions and that is another reason why it seems more womanly/mature. Raven also pointed out that the thicker thighs of the DDdy make a big difference as well as the much larger butt. In sort, it takes time for bodies to naturally fill out even when weight gain is not a factor.

 

Now just for a comparison for the likely body type that Volks will use for Luka, and the suggested body type by some: Bea (left) is a DDIII L bust, and Dakota has the DDdyI body with a sanded DDIII DDII L bust. (This cracks me up because Dakota was complaining about having to drop down into the bust size she had in high school. She was not pleased at loosing her DDdy L Shapely bust. )

 

 

 

I currently don't have a DDdyIII body otherwise I would have used it. The bust obviously needs to be trimmed before putting on the DDdy body to make it easier to reassemble, increase mobility, and to make skin tight clothes not have a lump where the bottom of the bust piece is. In the side pic it is easy to see the large difference in butt volume.

 

But I think we should wait and see before...uh, whatever the negative version of counting chickens before they hatch is.

 

Negative version? How about 'don't tap bombs before they explode?' Perhaps I just watched too much Bugs Bunny growing up.

 

I do see the value in taking into consideration that Volks may choose the wrong body type because it make's Luka's base price shoot up quite a lot having to buy a whole other body. And it also affects the clothes that she will be able to wear. I'd hate for Raven to find an outfit that he would adore for Luka only to find out that it wouldn't fit. I just like to be prepared and to protect Raven from any avoidable disappointment. It's my way of keeping the hobby as happy for him as possible. I just really try to think through every aspect so I have a real good clue as to what is and may be expected in a project. Especially for Luka because I know there are a ton of Project Diva outfits that Raven will want, and even those models do not have one definitive body, or even boob size! You would think something like that would at least be consistent within a single game. So I'm already trying to shuffle through the data on how some of her clothes are designed, what fabrics and in what colors are used, trying to decide on how to find the right fabrics that will drape properly, doing preliminary sketches in my mind for the patterns that need to be drafted, how to design the clothes so they are removable (many outfits in the game, or just artwork in general don't address that fact) and wondering if the DDdy body is the same measurements as the DDdyIII so I might have a chance to get some basic patterns started without having to wait for a body.

 

Generally I don't have the luxury of going out and buying a lot of clothes for our vinyl Kiddos, so yeah I do kinda go over the top about figuring things out. It shouldn't be a surprise since I have to do most of what we have entirely by myself.

 

~Sister Kyoya

Edited September 5, 2017 by Guest

You know, the DDy with the sanded L bust looks pretty good. I dont know what the chances of Volks ever doing something like that are, or just increasing bust options for DDDy in general, but it would be pretty cool cos while I like the curviness of DDdy (especially cos the regular DD waist is a little too thin and unnatural imo) I just cant get past those boobs. Seeing that pic in comparison made me realize that it would probably be better than a regular DD with a L-bust. So my personal preference would be 1) DDdy with a new bust type that looks like the L bust 2) DD with L (or even M bust) 3) Regular DDdy with either bust. But like I said, I'm just happy she's being made.

The only thing I think Volks are actually likely to 'mess up' on is stainability of the outfit 8') ah well.

 

Related to MM but not Luka, I'm so mad right now - out of curiosity I looked up the DD happi on yahoo auctions and I counted SEVEN that are being sold for ludicrous prices around around 10,000 yen or more. It's especially annoying because I was even in the line when they started selling out of them. I know there's no way to avoid people buying them just to flip them on yahoo auctions but it still just really annoys me as someone who really wanted one for my own doll. (And for sinclair, of course). But uugh, scalpers gonna scalp I guess.

I can't wait to see her in Doll form!

Looking at that line-up, I feel like Miku looks way too tall. She's only supposed to be 158cm, so technically a 1/3rd scale Miku should be more 52/53cm. I really think a DDS body would have made more sense for her, since she's a fairly petite character, but I suppose then it'd make things with Len and Rin more complex.

 

Actually, looking at the Vocaloid biographical information, Luka's 4cm (1.5") taller than Miku and only weighs 3kg (6.6lbs) more. So based off that, she really shouldn't be dramatically curvier in build than Miku. On the other hand, Luka's supposedly 5'4" and barely 100lbs if you convert it into imperial units... so I don't know that whoever wrote the Vocaloid bios has a very good sense of what various weights actually look like.

You know, the DDy with the sanded L bust looks pretty good. I dont know what the chances of Volks ever doing something like that are, or just increasing bust options for DDDy in general, but it would be pretty cool cos while I like the curviness of DDdy (especially cos the regular DD waist is a little too thin and unnatural imo) I just cant get past those boobs.

 

There is a thread around here with a modded DDDy with an M Bust that was done by Cauldroness. It looked pretty darned good, and it showed that with some effort you can mod a DDIII bust to fit on a DDDy.

 

It would be better if Volks just make some additional bust options for them though.

 

Sorry I had zero luck searching for the thread with the image. Kept telling me my search terms are too common. XD

There is a thread around here with a modded DDDy with an M Bust that was done by Cauldroness. It looked pretty darned good, and it showed that with some effort you can mod a DDIII bust to fit on a DDDy.

 

I have two Dy girls with L busts; it doesn't even take modding. The DD3 L bust fits fine on the Dy body. Some dislike the way it is so tight and 'squeezes' the dy waist, so trim it. I did with one of mine but can't be bothered with the other; I don't have their skin exposed, anyway.

I have two Dy girls with L busts; it doesn't even take modding. The DD3 L bust fits fine on the Dy body. Some dislike the way it is so tight and 'squeezes' the dy waist, so trim it. I did with one of mine but can't be bothered with the other; I don't have their skin exposed, anyway.

 

Iirc this modded the M bust so that it fit the body like a DDDy bust. I seem to recall one of the DDDy selling points was the higher seam on the bust allowing for mid-drift revealing outfits more like a One Piece torso does. In any event it was a perfect mod, and showed what can be done with a DDDy and a some effort.

On the other hand, Luka's supposedly 5'4" and barely 100lbs if you convert it into imperial units... so I don't know that whoever wrote the Vocaloid bios has a very good sense of what various weights actually look like.

 

That doesn't make any sense for her art at all! Unless she's supposed to be an android made exclusively of super-light polymers instead of human.

Lottery dolls, post-entry, pre-win, are Schrodinger Dolls. They're both yours and not at the same time.

 

So they exist as discrete packets of energy with wave-like properties?

 

Sorry off topic, but that made me lol.

Lottery dolls, post-entry, pre-win, are Schrodinger Dolls. They're both yours and not at the same time.

 

So they exist as discrete packets of energy with wave-like properties?

 

Sorry off topic, but that made me lol.

 

Technically, your entry is the discrete packet of energy--if things go just right, it triggers a hammer, which smashes a vial, which then drips water onto a switch, and that switch triggers an email that says you won. If the entry doesn't decay as expected, nothing happens, and that's why losing entries don't generate an email.

There is a thread around here with a modded DDDy with an M Bust that was done by Cauldroness. It looked pretty darned good, and it showed that with some effort you can mod a DDIII bust to fit on a DDDy.

 

Here's the links I found:

 

Replacing Bust

 

Has anyone, or is it Possible to put the DDII chest on DDDy?

 

DD to DDdy bust tutorials? (USED with photos of mine.)

 

How to mod DDII bust for DDdy

 

click on IMAGE to view full size pic then make sure to zoom in.

Original link to How to modify an M-bust onto a DDdy body... by hikaru132 (very busy!), on Flickr

 

One thing I do have to point out that if you choose the modded bust option to cut the vinyl very slowly and carefully. I have modded more than one head by now and X-acto knives when sharp can either get stuck sometimes but more often than not they cut through it like butter, very, very easily getting out of control if you are trying to force it. I have also sanded almost all of out busts (Dakota's being the exception) and that vinyl is a heck of a lot softer so it may be hard to work with. I think if you just do it carefully and take your time it should be fine. Looks like the fourth page of this thread has more info.

 

It would be really nice if Volks actually decided to make a version of the DD L bust or DD L Shapely that already fit the DDdy, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

Woops, I guess I have a bit of a correction to make. The L bust on Dakota is DDII not DDIII. I'll fix the previous post in a moment.

 

DDIII bust opening by mitsuki-chan, on Flickr

 

~Sister Kyoya

I just realized: no matter how her face turns out, or the rest of her outfit, THOSE BOOTS. I, for one, am going to be drooling over that epic pair of boots.

 

Luka why you have such great boots

On the other hand, Luka's supposedly 5'4" and barely 100lbs if you convert it into imperial units... so I don't know that whoever wrote the Vocaloid bios has a very good sense of what various weights actually look like.

 

That doesn't make any sense for her art at all! Unless she's supposed to be an android made exclusively of super-light polymers instead of human.

Vocaloid literally means 'vocal android', so...yeah, although I typically expert androids and robots to weigh more than humans that or whoever wrote it just doesn't have a good understanding of weight like you said. It's why I never put much stock in 'official' measurements except to confirm things like who is taller than who.

Me and my friend once joked that it'd be funny if that's how much the CD boxes actually weighed...

Vocaloid literally means 'vocal android', so...yeah, although I typically expert androids and robots to weigh more than humans that or whoever wrote it just doesn't have a good understanding of weight like you said. It's why I never put much stock in 'official' measurements except to confirm things like who is taller than who.

Me and my friend once joked that it'd be funny if that's how much the CD boxes actually weighed...

 

If you consider ultralight & ultrastrong materials like carbon nanotubes and graphine, an android produced at the level of technology necessary to make a true synthetic organism like Miku or Luka could be much lighter than a human. Odds are much of the weight would come from the power source.

 

Plus, the miniaturized nature of CPUs would mean that her itty bitty brain would leave loads of room in her big ol' head for those giant anime eyeballs.

 

The debate over ultralight polymers seems to be a bit moot, since modern robots of human size are pretty darn heavy from what I understand. Raven would have to clarify. Plus you have to calculate in "decorative stuff' like those super duper long wigs. I had long hair down to my butt for many years and my hair is thin. I eventually had to cut it because the weight of it was giving me migraines. The fibers for DD wigs are much more dense and heavy than human hair. Then there are more minor ascetic things like nails and clothes. I agree with Raven that Luka's default outfit looks like it should be made from vinyl. Even costume vinyl (very thin) will add weight, and any other 'shiny' fabric would weigh even more. The only exception would be lining fabric, but as the name states, it is only suitable for lining human clothing. (I have used some to make Tama's blue swim trunks, but in human scale that wouldn't work.)

 

Then there is even the issue of skin. Since I don't know what type of 'ultra light polymers' are being referenced nor what their tactile properties are, I wouldn't assume that they would be anything but hard plastic feel. Based on DD, that would be a weird shift from vinyl so yet again I would assume that this would not be a suitable medium. So that leaves us with vinyl or silicone like the Peach Pai. Either one in the amount to cover a 5'4" humanoid would not be light no matter how you calculate it. Even though thin vinyl works on 1/3 DD scale, I have my doubts that the same thickness would remain as rigid once scaled up so the thickness would increase as well, at least somewhat.

 

Even if all of that had the best possible weight calculation, the increase in weight may not affect the ultra light polymer skeleton, but it would affect the motors to create movement (assuming that recreating a real 'on stage' aka 'living' Luka is where the base body numbers come from, not a lifesize (non-automated) DD.) I would assume there would be a lot of motors, ones for 'big movements' and a lot more for fine motor skills. Gears would be made from polymer, but if there were any drive belts I doubt they could be. Then there is the aforementioned power source, all the screw and whatever is used to join the whole thing, wires connecting up everything, various sensors to keep her from falling over, circuit boards and other computer processing bits, speaker (she is a Vocaloid), and I'm sure a buttload of other thing I'm oblivious to. It all adds up.

 

And before you completely say I'm off my rocker, here is an easier way to go about it: ASIMO is dobleepented at being 130 cm (4 ft 3 in) tall and weighs 54 kg (119 lb.)

 

54 ÷ 130 = 0.415 kg per cm [weight per cm from ASIMO's data]

(5 * 12) + 4 = 64 in. [Luka's height in inches]

convert 64 in to cm = 162.56 cm

162.56 * 0.415 (kg) = 67.4624 kg [Luka's weight based on height]

convert 67.4624 kg to lbs = 148.73 lbs [weight converted to pounds, because I'm American ]

 

So if my math is right (there was a tiny bit of rounding the numbers to make them manageable) Then Luka would weigh at least 148.73 pounds for her height with much of the ascetic parts yet to be added to actually make her look like 'stage' Luka (either in Project Diva or the live shows.)

 

I'm actually pleased (if my math is right, it isn't my strong point) that my rapid mental calculation based on my mental material database could be correct. Yesterday Raven and I were talking about the weight of a human size Luka and my rapid guess was 165-175 pounds. Being under 20 pounds from the probable range really surprises me at how close my guess was. I'm often really proud at how quickly I can visually assess building and engineering problems to figure them out, but this is the first time I can remember to have some solid math to back up the non-math calculating done in my head. I really stink at math but long ago I learned to 'visually calculate' to compensate for my learning disabilities.

 

If nothing else, this was a fun mental experiment to do.

 

~Sister Kyoya

Androids in the modern context, which we can think of in terms of "that which is real now," are quite different from androids as they may exist in the context of futurism. I tend to think in terms of futurism, but I'm a bit crazy.

 

Ah, if only I had the technology to build a fully functional Kos-Mos. ***mad scientist laughter ensues***

 

As I understand it the term android can refer to robots with humanoid shape, which we can create today, or a synthetic organism, which we cannot create today.

 

Hypothetically androids in the future could house copies of our own conciousness, and be virtually indistinguishable from a biological organism in their internal functions and thought processes. A copy of everything you are could live for centuries in an android body constructed to your exact specifications.

 

When I am referring to a synthetic organism I'm not thinking of gears and pulleys, but something more like a living breathing Miku/Luka constructed by humankind from synthetic materials, but as much alive as you or I. (I'm not sure we should create something as spoiled as Miku, but for the moment this is all a fantasy that can't collapse civilization with incessant petulant demands. )

 

What's interesting about graphine materials is they are 200 times stronger than steel, can be as thin as a molecule wide, and conduct electricity. Hypothetically you could use them to construct an android nervous system that sent impulses from a syntheic brain to synthetic muscles.

 

If I am following the potential of graphine to a proper conclusion you could use it to construct an android skeleton with bones that are mostly hollow and still at least 20 times stronger than human bones. They would probably need to have some kind of internal honeycomb latice that gives the bone the structural support to hold its shape, but most of their volume would be air.

 

Some futurists have suggested graphine could be used to construct space elevators to move objects into orbit at a much lower cost than rockets. This material has crazy potential applications.

 

I think the key to making a Vocaloid Luka lighter than a human is to use materials lighter than water. At 8.34 pounds per gallon, with an average of 13 gallons in the human body, it adds up to 108 pounds of water. That's where polymer muscles, and graphine bones really comes into play as a weight reducer. With the right materials your Luka could very light, and super strong.

That's where polymer muscles, and graphine bones really comes into play as a weight reducer. With the right materials your Luka could very light, and super strong.

 

. . . now I really want to see Vocaloids moonlighting as superheroes. Please tell me this exists.

That's where polymer muscles, and graphine bones really comes into play as a weight reducer. With the right materials your Luka could very light, and super strong.

 

. . . now I really want to see Vocaloids moonlighting as superheroes. Please tell me this exists.

 

 

You want this

 

 

and this

 

 

There was one other. Not of the same continuity as these two, and with "spookier" Miku variant models. They fought a giant mech thing and saved Solid Snake and some girl. I can't find that one anymore.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Guest

 

 

You want this

 

I love the ending on this one.

That's where polymer muscles, and graphine bones really comes into play as a weight reducer. With the right materials your Luka could very light, and super strong.

 

. . . now I really want to see Vocaloids moonlighting as superheroes. Please tell me this exists.

 

 

You want this

 

 

and this

 

 

There was one other. Not of the same continuity as these two, and with "spookier" Miku variant models. They fought a giant mech thing and saved Solid Snake and some girl. I can't find that one anymore.

 

OMG yas thank you. I should have known better than to doubt the Vocaloid fandom! (The first one has enough property damage to be a DC movie.)

sorry to bump with no news, but im just wondering if anyone wants to have a guess when Luka might be released?

 

mid year? later in the year?

 

i know theres been a few dd announced before luka (2B, Idolmaster Hibiki (?) ) but im worried volks might pull luka up before them o.o

I am still bettting on Nier sooner rather than later. The idol they teased wasn’t Hibiki it was Kaede, and they also teased Nanao from Million live a few months after the Luka tease. Nanao seems likely to be their first Million Live release, so maybe a special iM@S event for that one.

 

I would think summer at the latest for an iM@S release of some sort.

 

Someone in another thread said figure a year between the teaser image and the physical doll release. If that’s correct then you would maybe see Luka at the next Magical Mirai.

I don't know what effect this has on release date, if any, but Luka is likely to be a preorder doll and not a lottery one, right?

 

Someone in another thread said figure a year between the teaser image and the physical doll release. If that’s correct then you would maybe see Luka at the next Magical Mirai.

Did this happen with Sailor Moon? Maybe I'm clueless, but I thought she basically came out of nowhere?

Edited February 6, 2018 by Guest