NSFW Quick Body ID?

So since none of my orders can go right this month, Mandarake has sent me the wrong body for my Snow Miku. But I don't know what this body is? It seems like a sloppy mish-mash of a DDII and a DDIII internal torso piece? There's this big ugly gap and it just looks all sorts of wrong. I just wanted a quick ID so I can email Mandarake and go "hey, this is what you sent me" it is for sure different than the photo on the sale listing.

 

I ordered a SWS DDSIII and I'm also pretty sure this body may even be NS...but I can't tell in my bad lighting. When I shine a flashlight on all 3 of my DD bodies, they all seem to be the same color and it's nowhere close to my Snow Miku! Or the internal piece that's inside the torso. THAT for sure is SWS or maybe even White. You can see the top of the neck piece and how light it is.

 

 

Left: The body Mandarake sent me

Middle: DDS from my Kagamine Rin

Right: DDS from Hakurei Reimu

 

I don't know what happened with this order. It was sent to me in the BOX of a SWS DDS. But it's clearly...not.

 

 

Anyone also know how Mandarake usually handles this too? Will I just send it back and they'll correct it...?

I'm no expert so someone else will be better help, but what I see:

 

For certain you have DDII arms there, because of the shoulder part. DDIII arms are made like your DDS bodies without the separate ball part.

 

Check this thread for other comparisons; the back of the shins looks different between DDII and DDIII, and if you remove one arm and look at the hole on the bust part that is different.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3791

That gap between the bust and torso seems to be normal on DDIII, for flexibility I assume.

 

In your picture they all look the same color; if anything your Rin body looks slightly lighter but that's probably just it being in the center of the pic and better lit or something.

The shoulders say DDII, and the body definitely isn't a DDS.

 

The DDII should have what is basically a hard plastic rib cage inserted into the bust, and the posable frame goes inside of that. Pull the torso apart and check for that. If it's missing the rib cage it could be an incomplete DDII frame or a DDII/DDIII mish-mash. Incomplete might explain the gap. To my eye the lower torso isn't that different between DDII and DDIII, but I've never done an exhaustive comparison.

 

It might just be that the parts are fit together incorrectly.

 

Also that does not look like SWS skin. NS DDII doesn't look much different from NS DDIII to me.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Guest

Just one other note, I would never take a DDII frame in exchange for a DDS frame. The DDII body was probably good for it's time, but compared to DDIII & DDS it's pretty bad.

 

I have three girls with DDII bodies and they are all getting F3 bodies as soon as I can get them for them.

Same opinion as others, pretty sure it's DD2 arm. Dunno about the lower torso and leg thoughs, have to see from the back side.

 

And if the arm is DD2, it is NS because SWS only available after DD3 release.

So DD2 only have 2 tones, NS and WS.

 

But yeah, you should contact Mandarake for a difference photo and product. However do the description mention something about body change?

I realise that some Manda products share same pictures so have to rely on the description as well.

 

If they mention about body is DD2 or changed, then it's not your luck

Thanks for the links, guys. I'm pretty postive now that this is a DDII with the upper internal torso of a DDIII(In SWS maybe...the color is wrong for the rest of the body)

 

This is the listing I bought from https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1080597933&ref=list

 

No mention of substitutions? And it did come sent to me in a DDS Semi-White Skin box. The picture is small, but it certainly doesn't look like the one I got. Will email them now.

It's not the same body in the picture. The body in your picture is a DDII, the one on the Mandarake listing is a DDIII.

 

I usually look at the back of the legs and shoulder joints to determine which body it is.

 

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3791

 

The DDII has plastic cup pieces that protrude outwards that insert into the torso, while the DDIII's shoulders are mostly covered in vinyl. On the shins, you can see that the vinyl is just one cut like a DDIII instead of having the U shape cut out like on the DDII.

 

As others have pointed out the DDII was never in Semi-White since that particular skin color was officially released with KOS-MOS who was on the DDIII frame.

 

I think it might be best to contact Mandarake about this.

This is the listing I bought from https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1080597933&ref=list

Besides everything else mentioned here, you ordered a body shown with a small bust and they sent you a medium bust.

It's not the same body in the picture. The body in your picture is a DDII, the one on the Mandarake listing is a DDIII.

 

I usually look at the back of the legs and shoulder joints to determine which body it is.

 

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3791

 

The DDII has plastic cup pieces that protrude outwards that insert into the torso, while the DDIII's shoulders are mostly covered in vinyl. On the shins, you can see that the vinyl is just one cut like a DDIII instead of having the U shape cut out like on the DDII.

 

As others have pointed out the DDII was never in Semi-White since that particular skin color was officially released with KOS-MOS who was on the DDIII frame.

 

I think it might be best to contact Mandarake about this.

 

Yeah, looking at the back of the knees made me certain Good to know that Kos-Mos was the first SWS though. I wasn't aware! I just emailed them, so hopefully they get back to me soon. I had a payment hiccup when I ordered and they corrected it within a few hours.

 

This is the listing I bought from https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1080597933&ref=list

Besides everything else mentioned here, you ordered a body shown with a small bust and they sent you a medium bust.

 

Sheesh, how did this go so out of whack?! I didn't notice since the title said "Base Body" and I know those come with M by default so I didn't think anything of it, but you're right! I hope they'll sort this out nicely...I've never had any problems with Mandarake before. Especially not like this.

The body in the Mandarake picture shows a sizable blue stain on the back photo. The listing says unused, but the photo tells me the body pictured is used. They don't ship NIB from Volks with stains like that, and in my experience Mandarake is good about giving photo's of stains on dolls that have them. If your body doesn't have that stain on the left calf then it's definitely not the one pictured, and as it's been pointed out the shoulders don't match the picture either.

 

Color is really hard to tell from that photo. It looks light enough to be SWS, but it's very yellow. That could just be from the type of lighting it was photographed with, and not yellowing on the body.

 

I am going to guess that they put the body in the wrong box at some point, and no one inspected it before it was shipped.

 

There might be a DDII box with a SWS DDS body in it somewhere in their shop.

Checked the listing and there's nothing wrong with it, so you should be able to get good news from Mandarake, well hopefully.

 

Wish you good news, Mandarake is nice when you are being a reasonable customer, at least they are to me.

Please do update us when Mandarake reply your message, I'm pretty interested with how they handle things, as professional as they should be

Color is really hard to tell from that photo. It looks light enough to be SWS, but it's very yellow. That could just be from the type of lighting it was photographed with, and not yellowing on the body.

You definitely can't count on color in Mandarake's pictures. Many dolls look like they're white skin, and a couple of nights ago I thought I had found a blue version of the chair stand that I didn't know about:

https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1081287362&ref=list

 

(It's the green one as it says.)

The body in the Mandarake picture shows a sizable blue stain on the back photo. The listing says unused, but the photo tells me the body pictured is used. They don't ship NIB from Volks with stains like that, and in my experience Mandarake is good about giving photo's of stains on dolls that have them. If your body doesn't have that stain on the left calf then it's definitely not the one pictured, and as it's been pointed out the shoulders don't match the picture either.

 

Color is really hard to tell from that photo. It looks light enough to be SWS, but it's very yellow. That could just be from the type of lighting it was photographed with, and not yellowing on the body.

 

I am going to guess that they put the body in the wrong box at some point, and no one inspected it before it was shipped.

 

There might be a DDII box with a SWS DDS body in it somewhere in their shop.

 

Oooh, yikes. Didn't see the stain either. I did the initial ordering on my phone, and I literally just upgraded my laptop's screen yesterday, so I'm just now seeing more accurate colors.

 

That is 100% a different body. Mine has a blue stain under the left arm. Nothing on the back leg. And the back of the knees are completely different. So is the shape of the butt honestly lol.

 

They already replied to my first email, so I sent them the picture of the body next to my Rin's(who was also bought from Mandarake and I mentioned that, I'm hoping that'll establish some trust that I'm not trying to pull a switcharoo on them or something.)

 

Yeah, boxes must've gone weird somewhere! I hope they do have the SWS body I actually bought still in their store somewhere. I would really love to have the bodies switched.

 

I will keep updating here to let everyone know how they resolve the mix up.

So things are going smoothly...I think? I'm a bit confused by their last email, so I'll see where we go from here.

 

It said

 

"Hello.

Thank you for your message.

 

I took the time to confirm the details of the photo, and I appreciate it."

 

So I sent a reply that said for them to let me know what steps are needed to fix the problem and I'd be happy to do them. So we'll see how that goes.

Oooh, yikes. Didn't see the stain either. I did the initial ordering on my phone, and I literally just upgraded my laptop's screen yesterday, so I'm just now seeing more accurate colors.

 

That is 100% a different body. Mine has a blue stain under the left arm. Nothing on the back leg. And the back of the knees are completely different. So is the shape of the butt honestly lol.

 

It's hard to tell just how bad it is from the photo, but most of it looks like it may be a surface stain. Those usually come out pretty easy with Dream Rescue. There is a darker patch at the 12 o clock position that might be deeper. You could probably treat it, but it may be easier to just replace the shin. (Assuming of course you get that particular body at the end of this.)

 

I recommend always looking at all the product photos listed on any item on Mandarake closely. They seem pretty good about taking photo's of damage.

It said

 

"Hello.

Thank you for your message.

 

I took the time to confirm the details of the photo, and I appreciate it."

 

Maybe it translated as something like "we appreciate the photos, we will now take some time first to confirm the details"

Probably because the one who reply is just regular / part-time employee, and they have discuss with the employee who handle your item and store manager.

 

I recommend always looking at all the product photos listed on any item on Mandarake closely. They seem pretty good about taking photo's of damage.

 

Depend on which Mandarake store though, for Nakano, Akiba and Osaka, they do take great photo of the damage and other condition. For Sapporro, have to rely on the description as they only take 1-2 overall picture that can't be zoomed to much. But you can contact them and ask more photos ~

This is just from my experience though

I'm hoping that's what they meant and they'll get back to me soon. I really have no use for a body like this lol. I'd hate to be stuck with it. Utsunomiya has been fast and polite so far, so I think I'm probably in good hands. I'm not too worried at the moment. Hoping we'll set up a way for me to send this one back and either get my real order or a refund. The staining I don't mind on the actual photo. Easy to remove and I almost never keep them in clothes with their leg exposed anyway. They usually have pants or socks or leggings on anyway.

I'm curious, was it the clear plastic type box?

 

Linda S.

galatia9

I'm curious, was it the clear plastic type box?

 

Linda S.

galatia9

 

Mostly? I've never bought a DD body before this, so I'm not sure how many kinds of boxes there are It's this one

 

 

So correct box, DDS in SWS...but no match there at all.

Wow, you'd think they could tell by sight what was in the box! I hope everything gets straightened out for you.

 

Linda S.

galatia9

Wow, you'd think they could tell by sight what was in the box! I hope everything gets straightened out for you.

 

Linda S.

galatia9

 

You would think an shop like that would have experts for each area. We had a great hobby store here that was like that. Each section had it's own subject matter expert in charge of it. Everything from model trains to doll making had it's own person who knew their stuff in charge. They ended up closing though, just couldn't compete with the online market.

I would've thought so as well! But I suppose I don't blame them for not having a doll expert around at all times.

 

But good news and bad news. The bad is that they unfortunately don't have what I really ordered. They looked and couldn't find it the good news is that I can send this one back for a refund. They also gave me the option to keep it and get a partial refund, but I don't have any use for this body and still need the SWS body for my Miku. So I of course have opted to send it back to them. So I'll probably just wait until they get another in. There's a SWS DD up in Nagoya right now, but I really would rather have DDS, I think.

Definitely not worth keeping a DDII body, even at a discount. There are just too many posing limitations to make it useful. Part of it is a more limited range of movement, but there are also things like not being able to keep their arms up when they are raised out to the side or sit upright with their knees together.

 

I like to have mine sit on the edge of my desk, and that just doesn’t work with a DDII.

Definitely not worth keeping a DDII body, even at a discount. There are just too many posing limitations to make it useful. Part of it is a more limited range of movement, but there are also things like not being able to keep their arms up when they are raised out to the side or sit upright with their knees together.

 

I like to have mine sit on the edge of my desk, and that just doesn’t work with a DDII.

 

Wow, never knew it was that limited. I didn't play around with it at all since I didn't want to risk damaging something I didn't want to keep. I didn't want to get pinned with "you break it, you buy it" I took it out for photos and then immediately put it back in the box. I mean, I'd keep it if they were letting me have it for free, but it's not what I needed at all, so away it goes back to Japan lol. I can't really put a SWS head on an NS body. I'm almost curious what they would have priced this body at though with the oldness of it and the wrong internal torso piece that makes a giant gap between the chest and stomach. And the staining it has. I wouldn't pay more than $130ish for a body in this condition tbh. And that's probably being generous.

As far as pricing I don’t know. The DDII was probably a big improvement over the DDI, which was a strung body iirc. It’s nowhere near as good as the DDIII, and the new F3 seems like an improvement over that.