DDS Bust on DD and DDdy?

Hello all, is this combination possible, or rather.. would a DDS bust look weird if put on other DD bodies? I may have just impulse-bought a girl on a DD body. I’m not super fond of how thick DD necks can look so I think I want to change her bust to a DDS one eventually if it can be done.

 

Similarly, I want to get a DDdy sometime too and want to swap the Dynamite bust for another one. I know it can be done with a DD bust with slight modifications(if wanted), but again I just prefer the DDS ones. xD Has anyone tried it?

About DDS and DD busts, I'll be honest and say, I think they MIGHT be exactly the same. At some point i swapped my girls' busts around and then I forgot who had which bust originally and there was no easy way to tell (at least not for me). The inside / the skeleton also looks 100% the same, not bigger, not smaller, exactly the same. I think their arms also. The only real difference seems to be the legs.

Hello all, is this combination possible, or rather.. would a DDS bust look weird if put on other DD bodies? I may have just impulse-bought a girl on a DD body. I’m not super fond of how thick DD necks can look so I think I want to change her bust to a DDS one eventually if it can be done.

 

Similarly, I want to get a DDdy sometime too and want to swap the Dynamite bust for another one. I know it can be done with a DD bust with slight modifications(if wanted), but again I just prefer the DDS ones. xD Has anyone tried it?

 

 

For the most part, the DDS and DD2/DD3 busts are the same. Yes, there are some minor differences in the openings for the arms and the bottom and some of the older DDS busts have slightly different breast shapes but as far fitment goes, there aren't any real issues swapping them.

 

As for the DDdy question, you can definitely use smaller busts like the Large and Medium. You will just need to cut off the lower part of the vinyl under the breasts to match the DDdy bust shape. To see how this works and looks, please check here:

 

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=15994

 

That thread also shows a LOT of other combinations too that work and don't work. Hopefully that will help you out!

 

 

 

Billy

Is the neck size even different between DD and DDS...?

 

If so, I've never noticed. I mean, most of the time I have to check heights to see who's on a DDS and who's on a DD (there's an ongoing game of "musical bodies" instead of "musical chairs" in my house).

Is the neck size even different between DD and DDS...?

 

Just based on holding a ruler up and eyeballing it, both DDS & DDIII necks are 1 inch wide. I'd have to dig out my calipers to get a really accurate measurement though. That's based on comparing my Miki Hoshi on her original DDS one-piece L, my Chihaya Kisaragi who I have on DDIII one piece SS body, and my Rin Shibuya on her original DDIII M. I compared Mio Akiyama on her DDII M, and it's the same 1 inch.

 

Hello all, is this combination possible, or rather.. would a DDS bust look weird if put on other DD bodies? I may have just impulse-bought a girl on a DD body. I’m not super fond of how thick DD necks can look so I think I want to change her bust to a DDS one eventually if it can be done.

 

The shoulder width on the torso is .25 inches larger on the DDIII compared to DDS, but the waists seem comparable in size.

 

I haven't tried it, but I am thinking the DDS bust would be ok in the waist, but would have narrow shoulders compared to a DDIII bust. Not sure how this would affect the internal frame movement, or the fit of the arms.

 

DDIII clothing is going to be a bit baggy in the chest/shoulders on a DDS bust. It really won't help that a lot of Volks outfits are really sized for their SDs, and not for DDs. If the clothing has hooks and eyelets you may be able sew a few loops of thread in place to make some new eyelets to tighten the fit of the garment a bit. With my iM@S girls I tend to swap their bust with the bust size that corresponds to their official stats, and I've found you can fix the fit on some clothing using that trick. Other stuff would need real tailoring to make it look good.

First, the disclaimer that I don't own, nor have ever seen, a DDS in person.

 

Is the neck size even different between DD and DDS...?

Just based on holding a ruler up and eyeballing it, both DDS & DDIII necks are 1 inch wide. I'd have to dig out my calipers to get a really accurate measurement though. That's based on comparing my Miki Hoshi on her original DDS one-piece L, my Chihaya Kisaragi who I have on DDIII one piece SS body, and my Rin Shibuya on her original DDIII M. I compared Mio Akiyama on her DDII M, and it's the same 1 inch.

I would certainly expect this to be true; if the DDS neck was smaller, then the heads wouldn't fit the same way i.e. the little ridge around the base of the head, especially at the rear, wouldn't curve into the neck minimizing the appearance of the joint as designed.

 

The internal upper frame is identical between the two, as far as I can determine. On the Volks USA store, DDS-BF-01 is shown as the internal frame in both the DDIII and DDS sections on the store.

 

Hello all, is this combination possible, or rather.. would a DDS bust look weird if put on other DD bodies? I may have just impulse-bought a girl on a DD body. I’m not super fond of how thick DD necks can look so I think I want to change her bust to a DDS one eventually if it can be done.

The shoulder width on the torso is .25 inches larger on the DDIII compared to DDS, but the waists seem comparable in size.

 

I haven't tried it, but I am thinking the DDS bust would be ok in the waist, but would have narrow shoulders compared to a DDIII bust. Not sure how this would affect the internal frame movement, or the fit of the arms.

 

DDIII clothing is going to be a bit baggy in the chest/shoulders on a DDS bust. It really won't help that a lot of Volks outfits are really sized for their SDs, and not for DDs. If the clothing has hooks and eyelets you may be able sew a few loops of thread in place to make some new eyelets to tighten the fit of the garment a bit. With my iM@S girls I tend to swap their bust with the bust size that corresponds to their official stats, and I've found you can fix the fit on some clothing using that trick. Other stuff would need real tailoring to make it look good.

I asssumed the shoulders were narrower like this, and have always wondered about this issue. Volks claims the majority of their clothing that fits whatever subset of bust sizes on DD, also fits the same on DDS. In reality that clothing is going to look more baggy/less tailored on DDS, and since as you mention so much of the clothing is really designed for SDs this is likely worse. I know any time I want one of their outfits that they tend to only show on SDs in official photos I search to try to find pictures to see what they really look like on a DD, and all too often find they do not look as nice.

 

DDS legs, the thighs especially, are shorter. Aren't the arms shorter too? (Which is probably an issue with some outfits as well.)

I compared my DDS with my DD3 arms, IF there's a difference (and it's not just a fault in the only two DD bodies I have / not just my eye), the difference seems to be only in the upper arm part and only about 1-2mm or so.

I would certainly expect this to be true; if the DDS neck was smaller, then the heads wouldn't fit the same way i.e. the little ridge around the base of the head, especially at the rear, wouldn't curve into the neck minimizing the appearance of the joint as designed.

 

That's a good point. It also helps with keeping fit of the collar on clothing consistent.

 

I know any time I want one of their outfits that they tend to only show on SDs in official photos I search to try to find pictures to see what they really look like on a DD, and all too often find they do not look as nice.

 

I find some look fine, and others make the DD look like a child wearing adult clothing. I have a few SD16 outfits that fit DD II & III's pretty well. Annoyingly Makoto Kikuchi's (DDS-S) Check-My-Note stage outfit was clearly sized for a DDIII, and the bodice looks really baggy on her.

 

DDS legs, the thighs especially, are shorter. Aren't the arms shorter too? (Which is probably an issue with some outfits as well.)

 

Looks to be about .25 inches between DD & DDS, but I am thinking more in terms of arm-shoulder protrusion from the torso. That's where the look is really going to stand out as off if it doesn't fit well, at least in my own mind. That's one area where the DDP-F3 really stands out as an improvement, much more natural looking shoulder and hip joints. They made similar improvements to the shoulder shape on their SD16 girl bodies a few years ago. Can't wait to see the new Saberface F3s.

 

Sleeve length is definitely an issue with a lot of outfits, and the difference in arm length between SDGr & DDS seems to be about 5/8 of an inch.

 

Edit: re-measured the arms, this time being careful to position them exactly the same way and fully seat the elbows. DDS appears to be about 5 3/4 inches and the DDIII is about 6 1/8 inches.

I know any time I want one of their outfits that they tend to only show on SDs in official photos I search to try to find pictures to see what they really look like on a DD, and all too often find they do not look as nice.

I find some look fine, and others make the DD look like a child wearing adult clothing. I have a few SD16 outfits that fit DD II & III's pretty well. Annoyingly Makoto Kikuchi's (DDS-S) Check-My-Note stage outfit was clearly sized for a DDIII, and the bodice looks really baggy on her.

I've noticed Volks often lists SD16 outfits as for DDdy only (or maybe that's just some SD16B outfits, I'm not sure); I assume that's mainly due to the larger waist sizes.

 

Somewhere on this forum is a picture of the Check-My-Note outfit on a Miku and it does fit well there. I'm guessing that generally the only Volks outfits really sized to DDs are the defaults that come with them, if even those are. I stalk Mandarake a lot for older outfits and while I haven't seen and don't look at everything obviously, I think I've only noticed a single outfit (some maid outfit I think it was) that listed DDS but not DD compatibility.

 

I was interested in the military style Deep Blue Jacket Set which is part of the Designers Collection which are AFAIK always really SD-sized. I looked and found a picture of that on Makoto and it seems to fit the DDS well so I got it figuring it should look good on DD. That pic is on this page:

https://www.volks.co.jp/blog_nest/akiba/170901/

Also, Makoto is really cute as a military chick.

 

DDS legs, the thighs especially, are shorter. Aren't the arms shorter too? (Which is probably an issue with some outfits as well.)

Looks to be about .25 inches between DD & DDS, but I am thinking more in terms of arm-shoulder protrusion from the torso. That's where the look is really going to stand out as off if it doesn't fit well, at least in my own mind. That's one area where the DDP-F3 really stands out as an improvement, much more natural looking shoulder and hip joints. They made similar improvements to the shoulder shape on their SD16 girl bodies a few years ago. Can't wait to see the new Saberface F3s.

 

Sleeve length is definitely an issue with a lot of outfits, and the difference in arm length between SDGr & DDS seems to be about 5/8 of an inch.

 

Edit: re-measured the arms, this time being careful to position them exactly the same way and fully seat the elbows. DDS appears to be about 5 3/4 inches and the DDIII is about 6 1/8 inches.

Thanks for that info too, as while I hadn't find dimensional comparison charts for everything, I was under the impression that outfits designed for SDGr were perhaps the closest to being DD-sized.

 

OT a bit, I'm experiencing this issue with shoes, with them being too big because of SD compatibility. It doesn't matter too much for boots or something else that covers the feet completely, but for more open shoes like pumps they can come off looking like a little girl wearing mommy's clothing. I'm having much better luck with shoes designed specifically for SD16 high-heeled feet, so long as they're ones that aren't just based on an SD-13 shoe with taller heels.

Oh wow, thanks everybody for all the replies! Lots of interesting food for thought here.

 

About DDS and DD busts, I'll be honest and say, I think they MIGHT be exactly the same. At some point i swapped my girls' busts around and then I forgot who had which bust originally and there was no easy way to tell (at least not for me)

Personally I think that the the sculpt of both DDS/DD SS & S busts are very similar, maybe even identical besides the neck and shoulder area. The M and especially L busts are the most noticeably different though, like how the DDS L busts kinda seem to have a ribcage sculpted in and the bust itself looks a bit more natural imo?

 

As for the DDdy question, you can definitely use smaller busts like the Large and Medium. You will just need to cut off the lower part of the vinyl under the breasts to match the DDdy bust shape.

Thanks Billy. A few months back I got a DDS L bust instead of a DD L bust for a tan DDdy girl I’ll hopefully get before the end of the year since I like how it’s sculpted more and was just a bit worried that the fitment won’t work since I only ever saw people use modded DD busts. I guess as long as I trim it properly to fit well all will be good in the end.

 

Is the neck size even different between DD and DDS...?

I’ve seen measurements that DD and DDS necks are the same in diameter, but somehow DD necks still look thicker to me somehow? @__@" Ever since I read Oni-Chan’s comment and image of their Madoka using both a DDS and DD L bust on the body comparisons thread a while back I can’t unsee the difference, though I guess it is a very small difference if at all.. It may be the DDS neck being more curved than DD at the top and base making it seem a bit thinner?? Or my eyes are just playing me idk lol

 

Thanks for taking the time to measure the girls for this thread, Wolf! In any case for the girl with the DD body, having thinner shoulders as a result of using a DDS bust is just fine with me.. maybe even ideal since the majority of the clothes I have on hand are fit for Azone AZO2, which are.. a bit scaled down compared to DD but have been shown to fit S and SS busts, which is what I plan to use. Besides the bust swap I also plan to do some shortening mods which would hopefully make her mostly AZO2 wardrobe still look balanced. It would be much easier to just get a DDS body instead and go from there but considering the steal I jumped on, buying some more parts wouldn’t hurt too much and I did want to keep the DDIII parts ready for another girl in case I do get the chance and means to make her so it’s all good.

 

I do want to buy more Volks clothing as well, so hearing that much of the clothing doesn’t fit DDS as well is a bit of a downer but not surprising.

 

OT a bit, I'm experiencing this issue with shoes, with them being too big because of SD compatibility. It doesn't matter too much for boots or something else that covers the feet completely, but for more open shoes like pumps they can come off looking like a little girl wearing mommy's clothing. I'm having much better luck with shoes designed specifically for SD16 high-heeled feet, so long as they're ones that aren't just based on an SD-13 shoe with taller heels.

That last bit about shoes looking too big on DDs is new to me though, and I’m glad you brought it up since I always assumed the fit would be perfectly fine as long as it indicated that it fits DD too. I’ll have to be extra careful now. Volks shoes certainly don’t come cheap!

OT a bit, I'm experiencing this issue with shoes, with them being too big because of SD compatibility. It doesn't matter too much for boots or something else that covers the feet completely, but for more open shoes like pumps they can come off looking like a little girl wearing mommy's clothing. I'm having much better luck with shoes designed specifically for SD16 high-heeled feet, so long as they're ones that aren't just based on an SD-13 shoe with taller heels.

That last bit about shoes looking too big on DDs is new to me though, and I’m glad you brought it up since I always assumed the fit would be perfectly fine as long as it indicated that it fits DD too. I’ll have to be extra careful now. Volks shoes certainly don’t come cheap!

It'll take me a little while, but I'll try to post some pictures showing this with the different shoes I got.

 

I do want to buy more Volks clothing as well, so hearing that much of the clothing doesn’t fit DDS as well is a bit of a downer but not surprising.

 

Some stuff fits very well like a pair of Volks Jeans that was probably SD13/SDGr in size, the "Dream Girl" T-Shirt, and some of the earlier iM@S outfits like Wild Strawberry.

 

These two are both DDS wearing volks outfits:

 

 

I've noticed Volks often lists SD16 outfits as for DDdy only (or maybe that's just some SD16B outfits, I'm not sure); I assume that's mainly due to the larger waist sizes.

 

SD16 will be the equivalent of an L bust but they are so much larger than DD in all their other dimensions it really is made to a different scale. The White Rose collection high school outfits for SD16 look good on DDIII-L, and I think that is because the only visible difference is the skirt just looks longer in length on a DD. I don't think that outfit would work as well on a DDS - L bust due to the overall difference in body dimensions, but I bet it looks great on a DDDy.

 

Somewhere on this forum is a picture of the Check-My-Note outfit on a Miku and it does fit well there. I'm guessing that generally the only Volks outfits really sized to DDs are the defaults that come with them, if even those are.

 

That's actually a good example. I put Check-My-Note on my Sakura Shinguji (DDIII-S) and it fit her much better than it did the DDS-S it was supposed to have been made for. The reason for that was mostly the fit in the upper torso. It's just noticeably too big on DDS, and you can really tell that at the shoulders.

 

Also, Makoto is really cute as a military chick.

 

Makoto looks great in boyish / athletic clothing, but then that's a main element of her character concept. That particular outfit on her is probably a subtle reference to a very funny scene in the second season of iM@S TV. Makoto wants to appeal to male fans but her pretty boy looks make her hugely popular with the girls. Yukiho on the other hand is terrified of boys, but loves being with Makoto.

 

 

She's an awesome DD with a beautiful sculpt.

 

 

Thanks for that info too, as while I hadn't find dimensional comparison charts for everything, I was under the impression that outfits designed for SDGr were perhaps the closest to being DD-sized.

An SDGr is about the right height, but the upper body bulks a bit larger. Shoulders are a bit broader I think, but the bust is right for an DD M. I find jeans that fit SDGr also fit DDIII pretty well.

 

This one lists DDS/DD/DDDy, and it fits my Miki's torso well, but the sleeves are a bit too long for her.

 

https://www.volks.co.jp/page_ex.jsp?CONTROLID=SC0040&BUSINESSID=InitDisp&jancd=4518992416663&version=en

 

I can relate to Volks wanting to make outfits that fit a range of dolls in order to lower manufacturing costs/waste, and overstocking issues. I just wish they would make more stuff specific to DD and also stuff just for DDS. I mean 11/13 of the iM@S girls are DDS, but the Starpiece Memories set was made in DDIII M & L sizes, and came with a set of falsies to fit it to Chihaya's DDS-SS Bust.

 

They also need to make some SS bust stuff that isn't high priced Hatsune Miku outfits. [/endrant]

 

Edit: My bad 9/13 iM@S girls are DDS, two are DD, and two are DDP. What's worse is I was looking right at Iori and Yayoi and still counted them as DDS. XD

Some stuff fits very well like a pair of Volks Jeans that was probably SD13/SDGr in size, the "Dream Girl" T-Shirt, and some of the earlier iM@S outfits like Wild Strawberry.

 

These two are both DDS wearing volks outfits:

The Dream Girl shirt is part of the red hoodie outfit or whatever they call it, and is one not listed for SDs at least; still as with Check-My-Note that doesn't guarantee a good fit on DDS. Those do look like a good fit in your picture. You've also got those recent athletic shoes there which I bought and feel they make the doll's feet look huge because they are so large and fit so loosely. Even in your pic I can kind of see that compared to the way Yukiho's shoes look.

 

I've noticed Volks often lists SD16 outfits as for DDdy only (or maybe that's just some SD16B outfits, I'm not sure); I assume that's mainly due to the larger waist sizes.

SD16 will be the equivalent of an L bust but they are so much larger than DD in all their other dimensions it really is made to a different scale. The White Rose collection high school outfits for SD16 look good on DDIII-L, and I think that is because the only visible difference is the skirt just looks longer in length on a DD. I don't think that outfit would work as well on a DDS - L bust due to the overall difference in body dimensions, but I bet it looks great on a DDDy.

I'd have to double-check some of the outfit listings now, but I think SD16 stuff is typically only listed for DDdy not other DDs; presumably because it's not so extra large for the waists there. For sure, I believe only DDdy is listed as compatible for a few SD13B (boy) clothing, like this suit I wish I ordered when Volks USA still had it available: http://www.volks.co.jp/page_ex.jsp?CONTROLID=SC0040&BUSINESSID=InitDisp&jancd=4518992416939&version=en

 

Also, Makoto is really cute as a military chick.

Makoto looks great in boyish / athletic clothing, but then that's a main element of her character concept. That particular outfit on her is probably a subtle reference to a very funny scene in the second season of iM@S TV. Makoto wants to appeal to male fans but her pretty boy looks make her hugely popular with the girls. Yukiho on the other hand is terrified of boys, but loves being with Makoto.

 

 

She's an awesome DD with a beautiful sculpt.

Haha, that's a cute clip. I haven't tried this outfit on anything yet, but being an SD outfit it's probably a bit large too, but likely looks good because it's a thicker material so it still drapes well, plus that type of jacket has what amounts to shoulder pads. I did notice the pants have parts that are elastic so they adapt somewhat.

 

Thanks for that info too, as while I hadn't find dimensional comparison charts for everything, I was under the impression that outfits designed for SDGr were perhaps the closest to being DD-sized.

An SDGr is about the right height, but the upper body bulks a bit larger. Shoulders are a bit broader I think, but the bust is right for an DD M. I find jeans that fit SDGr also fit DDIII pretty well.

I guess the biggest thing is no SD (to my knowledge) has the small waist like DDs do.

 

This one lists DDS/DD/DDDy, and it fits my Miki's torso well, but the sleeves are a bit too long for her.

 

https://www.volks.co.jp/page_ex.jsp?CONTROLID=SC0040&BUSINESSID=InitDisp&jancd=4518992416663&version=en

That's at least part of one of the lines that they don't rate for SDs. Being knit, it can also be made smaller to fit DDS as well as DD, and that's probably why it's also compatible with DDdy since it can just stretch.

 

I'm not sure but perhaps the too-long sleeves are just a style choice in this case. The Smart Doll sweaters and coats all like that where they half cover the hands as well, and Danny typically tailors his clothes to fit well and he's certainly not having to make them compatible with any other body types.

 

I can relate to Volks wanting to make outfits that fit a range of dolls in order to lower manufacturing costs/waste, and overstocking issues. I just wish they would make more stuff specific to DD and also stuff just for DDS. I mean 11/13 of the iM@S girls are DDS, but the Starpiece Memories set was made in DDIII M & L sizes, and came with a set of falsies to fit it to Chihaya's DDS-SS Bust.

 

They also need to make some SS bust stuff that isn't high priced Hatsune Miku outfits. [/endrant]

I get why it's not necessarily in their interest to do this, but I would like if Volks somehow diffrentiated the clothing types with some kind of additional info or disclaimers something like "Designer's Collection is targeted towards SD doll sizes and fits DDs but waists may be loose" or something. Doing it for specific outfits would be really nice but obviously that's not happening. Just expanding what they show on the item pages to include a DD modeling an outfit as well as an SD would be really helpful. It's not really like they don't want us to see, because by searching I can often find pages on their blogs showing store displays that have just that, like that Makoto picture.

 

For some of the SD outfits, it really goes a bit beyond "nice tailored fit on SD" vs. "fits ok on DD" at least for some accessories or other bits. I don't know how to find the particular post now so I'll paraprhrase what I remember reading. Foo had posted this pic:

and I recall mentioned that the belt around the waist is looser than it should be, and you can see the choker is, plus the outfit drags the ground unless the doll wears high heels.

You've also got those recent athletic shoes there which I bought and feel they make the doll's feet look huge because they are so large and fit so loosely. Even in your pic I can kind of see that compared to the way Yukiho's shoes look.

 

They are only slightly larger than the sneakers that came with Mio Honda, and those are pretty snug on Mio's feet.

 

Foo had posted this pic:

and I recall mentioned that the belt around the waist is looser than it should be, and you can see the choker is, plus the outfit drags the ground unless the doll wears high heels.

 

That is definitely an SD16 outfit. I never bother putting it on my DDs because of the black parts. It does look good on Foo's Sakuya. I think it works because of the large bust, the loose flowing design of the outfit, and the heels.

 

Foo has a real knack for lighting his photos well, he makes it look so effortless.

You've also got those recent athletic shoes there which I bought and feel they make the doll's feet look huge because they are so large and fit so loosely. Even in your pic I can kind of see that compared to the way Yukiho's shoes look.

They are only slightly larger than the sneakers that came with Mio Honda, and those are pretty snug on Mio's feet.

I had hoped they'd fit and support the feet where a doll could stand upright without a stand, but they're too loose for that. Maybe if I stuffed something into the shoe first; I didn't try that.

 

Foo had posted this pic:

and I recall mentioned that the belt around the waist is looser than it should be, and you can see the choker is, plus the outfit drags the ground unless the doll wears high heels.

 

That is definitely an SD16 outfit. I never bother putting it on my DDs because of the black parts. It does look good on Foo's Sakuya. I think it works because of the large bust, the loose flowing design of the outfit, and the heels.

 

Foo has a real knack for lighting his photos well, he makes it look so effortless.

Oh that's right checking Volks page, SD16 and listed just for DD-L bust and DDdy: http://www.volks.co.jp/htd_kyoto13/sumika_dc/

Another example, the red-skirted outfit at the top of that page, SD/SD13/SDGr; foo has it on Melty here:

Looks very nice on her, but still the skirt doesn't fit the way it does on Volks SD pics.

 

Volks should hire foo to take their pictures. They'd probably sell a lot more outfits! I know it was his pics of Sakuya wearing the Lady Wizard outfit that convinced me I needed that outfit, like this one:

For shirts I think the size of the DD waist isn't as much of an issue. Shirts that look good on Belldandy (SDGr) also look good on Kos-Mos (DDIII).

 

For dresses the entire torso comes into play. Here is Kos-Mos in a White Rose school outfit for SD16. It looks good on her, but you can kind of tell it's just a bit too big for her upper body. https://imgur.com/q9LuL43

 

I have one of the recent ones in a smaller size on my Saber Extra. It'll try to photo it this weekend for comparison.

 

I may look into tailoring for a few specialty outfits to get them fit properly to my DDS iM@S girls with smaller busts.

 

I had hoped they'd fit and support the feet where a doll could stand upright without a stand, but they're too loose for that. Maybe if I stuffed something into the shoe first; I didn't try that.

 

I find that stability really requires good ankle support. Best shoes I have for that are the ones that came with Sakura Shinguji's Battle Suit.

 

I had her standing on her own here, but I never really felt safe about it.

 

Yukiho's shirt is too large for her body. It would probably work better on a DDIII, but I think that is an SDGr outfit she is wearing. The skirt doesn't really fit her waist either.

 

Yukito's shoes are Sakura's defaults so they were made for DD.

For shirts I think the size of the DD waist isn't as much of an issue. Shirts that look good on Belldandy (SDGr) also look good on Kos-Mos (DDIII).

 

For dresses the entire torso comes into play. Here is Kos-Mos in a White Rose school outfit for SD16. It looks good on her, but you can kind of tell it's just a bit too big for her upper body. https://imgur.com/q9LuL43

Yeah that looks frumpy on her; I think maybe what really stands out to me is the collar looks too large for her neck which then makes all the rest obvious too.

 

Yukiho's shirt is too large for her body. It would probably work better on a DDIII, but I think that is an SDGr outfit she is wearing. The skirt doesn't really fit her waist either.

It looks fine though, and I think the style having the poofy shoulders probably helps.

 

Yukito's shoes are Sakura's defaults so they were made for DD.

While you'd think so, that doesn't always seem to follow either. At my request a friend sent me a picture of how the pumps from Miku's Siren Dress fit DD feet, and they don't fit, really; they're the same base shoe as a SD pair I have it appears.

Elianti I didn't mean to hijack your thread with outfit fitment talk but I hope it's still relevant to the topic.

 

I was looking into this a bit:

 

I’ve seen measurements that DD and DDS necks are the same in diameter, but somehow DD necks still look thicker to me somehow? @__@" Ever since I read Oni-Chan’s comment and image of their Madoka using both a DDS and DD L bust on the body comparisons thread a while back I can’t unsee the difference, though I guess it is a very small difference if at all.. It may be the DDS neck being more curved than DD at the top and base making it seem a bit thinner?? Or my eyes are just playing me idk lol

 

I think I know what you're seeing in that picture now. Reference Billy's post with body comparisons viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2333#p37874 and I'm going to repost a few of the pics here. Note these are not my pictures and I'm not claiming them; they are Billy's from the linked thread.

 

These are DDII rather than DDIII, but those busts are very close if not identical. First a head-on pic of DD vs DDS where necks look about the same including how the shoulders curve up to the neck:

 

 

Neck almost looks larger but that's an illusion due to the narrower overall width. Now side view, partially covered by hair but still useful:

 

 

There it is. It appears that the DD neck gets larger towards the shoulders, while the DDS one does not.

 

Bonus: They're the same size at the top, but the DDdy necks appear to actually taper smaller towards the shoulders.

 

Elianti I didn't mean to hijack your thread with outfit fitment talk but I hope it's still relevant to the topic.

 

lol it’s fine! The outfit fitment discussion is really interesting. As someone who comes from an Obitsu background yet still buys Volks sets once in a while so I just sort of accepted that a lot of the nicest clothes I have wouldn’t be the best fit for my girls. Adding to that I always try to do some sort of height/proportion mods to every single one of my dolls just so everyone isn’t exactly the same and matches their own characters better. Even though the majority of new dolls I’ll be welcoming home from now on will be DDs, finding perfectly-fitting clothes that aren’t custom made will still be nearly impossible for some of them. Each year one of my doll goals is that this would be the year I finally make tangible progress with learning to make my own clothes so I don’t need to settle as much but, alas. It never happens. xD

 

Thanks for bringing up Billy’s comparison images from that thread btw! So the neck to shoulder transition is what gives the DDS bust the appearance of a slightly thinner neck compared to DD. Thanks a lot for clearing that up!

 

And well about the new DD girl I thought I’d be buying.. I still haven’t gotten an invoice from Mandarake yet after almost three days so I might not be able to buy her in the end.. I’ll message them tomorrow to follow up if they don’t invoice me by tonight but the combination of her being sold 1) at an absolute bargain price, 2) as a storefront item, and 3) at Mandarake Umeda(of which I’ve heard is the slowest to process orders) is making me lose hope that she’s still available.

Measuring the neck on a DDS & DDII from the side shows the same 1 inch. What is very different between DD and DDS is the collar bone, and jugular notch. On a DDS the collarbones are more defined, and curved. The jugular notch is smaller, deeper and is also more clearly defined.

 

Those details seem to vary a bit by bust size which makes some sense.

 

On the DDP those details seem closer in form to the DDIII, but with a bit more definition than the DDIII.

 

What I haven't done is measured the length of the neck between DDIII & DDS.