mizya Posted February 26, 2019 foo said: Averis said: As an aside, no more BBCode! It's a fully WYSIWYG editor. Ahh... that could be a problem. Different browsers/platforms (especially phones) deal with WYSIWYG editors differently. Aside from crashing/barfing, you also have problems with people copy & pasting text which ends up as random large colored Times New Roman chunks in forum posts. I hope there's still an option for BBCode. I'm not a fan of these types of editors either, personally. Is there at least a chance to turn it off and view the code istead? DoA has this "rich text" type editor but you can turn it off and view your post with BBCode if you want to (and 99% out of the time I do that). Wordpress also recently tried to force an editor that doesn't allow you to view the code so I had to get the classic editor plug-in for my blog because I just can't make it work if I can't see what the code actually looks like. ^^; About the name, I like "Angelic Ether" but that's probably 'cause I don't mind the association of "angel" with DoA. I also liked the word "haven" incorporated into the name but I didn't see it on Averis' big list of suggestions, so was something like "Vinyl Haven" already taken? "Dollie Dreams" and "Dollie Dreaming" are nice, too. I would be content with just keeping the current name of the forum, too. As long as other brands have their own subforums, I don't feel like the name rings as "only DDs allowed". It's mostly just a name in my mind. But I must add that "Den of Demons" is not something that we should go for. If association with DoA is a turn-off for some, then that name has some really negative associations. There used to be a forum with that name essentially to trash-talk other hobbyists and their dolls who weren't "approved" by the inner circle of the Den of Demons crew. The majority of people who were shamed on that forum were members of DoA and as you can tell from my previous posts in this thread, I don't want this forum to be branded as "we hate DoA". My doll family: Umeko DDH-06 ♥ Megumi DDS Mariko ♥ Suiren DDdy Sheryl Nome ♥ Yuuri DDS Kagamine Rin ♥ Yuuya DDSb Kagamine Len ♥ Kanade DDdy Megurine Luka ♥ Miharu MDD Arle Nadja ♥ Rion DDb Kaito ♥ Enju MDD Marisa + guardian to DD Y'shtola My blog | carrd | instagram Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cfx Posted February 26, 2019 Something like Vinyl Heaven sounds nice to me as well, though I think the potential issue with that is to any random non-doll person they would probably think it's a forum about vinyl records. I'd guess that's what the word "vinyl" alone means to many people. I wonder if even using the current title, or anything including Dollfie necessarily really makes it sound like it's DD only. Maybe because DDs are a bit more known that other vinyl dolls or because they've been around longer than some others, I sometimes see the word dollfie used to describe any of them. I also like the existing name because it's the name the site has had all this time and I feel in some way changing it is throwing away some history. If the name was kept, maybe a logo that includes some description that makes clear the site has expanded to include other dolls, similar to the "What's your Dollfie Dream?" current tagline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Averis Posted February 26, 2019 mizya said: I'm not a fan of these types of editors either, personally. Is there at least a chance to turn it off and view the code istead? It is using the CKEditor, which has a lot of options, including source view. Though, from what I've seen it's not enabled by default on the forum we're moving to, so I'll have to look into it. EDIT: Yes, this is possible. (I looked into it) mizya said: About the name, I like "Angelic Ether" but that's probably 'cause I don't mind the association of "angel" with DoA. I also liked the word "haven" incorporated into the name but I didn't see it on Averis' big list of suggestions, so was something like "Vinyl Haven" already taken? "Dollie Dreams" and "Dollie Dreaming" are nice, too. I would be content with just keeping the current name of the forum, too. As long as other brands have their own subforums, I don't feel like the name rings as "only DDs allowed". It's mostly just a name in my mind. If it was suggested and isn't on the list that's because it was either taken (as .com) or on offer for several thousand (US) dollars. >< cfx said: I wonder if even using the current title, or anything including Dollfie necessarily really makes it sound like it's DD only. Maybe because DDs are a bit more known that other vinyl dolls or because they've been around longer than some others, I sometimes see the word dollfie used to describe any of them. This is where the voting will come in, though, personally, I would rather move to a new name that doesn't include Volks branding (Dollfie) (Dream). Imagine if you were -just- a Smart Doll owner (and I'm sure there are many now), I would imagine you would see DollfieDreams in a Google search and just move on to the next option out of hand, especially if you know they are a competing brand. Using this domain would also make archiving DD and the gallery and feedback a bit more difficult. If I moved the old site to a subfolder on this domain that would likely break many images on it and the posts migrated to the new software (unless I move the gallery folder back up etc). It's just a messy idea to me. I still prefer vinylDarlings, but I'm bias. We'll see how the voting goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SakuraSylph Posted February 26, 2019 Jezrah said: Is it the vinyl part that is the issue or the darlings part? It's both, although for different reasons. The darlings part is the main culprit for the reaction, and the vinyl part simply provides confusion with music records. Then the acronym VD really just means one thing, and dolls isn't it. Your VinylModels example solves both problems, eliminating the awkward connotations and providing a clear differentiation from music records, which is why I agree with you that such a name would pass the "sounds" test. @Averis Re: BBCode Editor - I'm really glad to hear that there will be an option to view and edit the code directly. As a technical person, I want the computer to do precisely what I tell it to, not what it thinks I want, so I always disable any kind of WYSIWYG. I'd just always assumed that the option would be there, up until you said it might not be. But it is. Hooray! Thank you for finding this out! Angelic Ether as a name was partially inspired by Angelic Layer, an early 00s anime about customizable dolls in a battle arena. The Volks connection of calling many things about SD and DD Tenshi is of course there as well, along with a few other influences. I liked that one the most out of the ones I threw out, too, aside from just keeping DollfieDreams (which seems like a no-go for both technical and new-audience reasons Averis just explained). So... what do we want the new audience to be, speaking of? Might putting a definition on it inspire additional creative names to consider? SakuraSylph Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Singer Yuna Posted February 26, 2019 Averis said: If anyone wants to throw out more ideas before I make a poll, please do! Dollzilla!!! Or dollzilla.moe Anyway, my favs are dolliedreams or dolldreaming, or dolldreamz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeyondTime Posted February 26, 2019 mizya said: But I must add that "Den of Demons" is not something that we should go for. If association with DoA is a turn-off for some, then that name has some really negative associations. There used to be a forum with that name essentially to trash-talk other hobbyists and their dolls who weren't "approved" by the inner circle of the Den of Demons crew. I had no idea of that history. XD SakuraSylph said: So... what do we want the new audience to be, speaking of? Might putting a definition on it inspire additional creative names to consider? That's a good question. Is it just anime / videogame themed dolls? Are 1/6 dolls like Volks Dollfie included? I kind of think it shouldn't include Barbie dolls, but that's more because I think a lot of our content isn't safe for small children. The difference between Dollfie Dreams and Heroin? Heroin is illegal, Dollfie Dreams probably should be. “Empty wallets, full hearts.” That’s probably an apt description for the effects of DD addiction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Averis Posted February 26, 2019 The name doesn't have to represent everything that is on topic, just the majority. The dolls that would be on topic are those that are similar to Dollfies Dreams (DD, DDS, DDdy, MDD). So, Smart Doll and some Obitsu and anything else in that vain. So essentislly 1/3 scale, mostly anime styled/inspired, with internal frames. I'm sure there can be some exceptions to the scale, but you get the idea, I hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Riesz Posted February 26, 2019 This is exciting! After revisiting my account on DoA, the forums here do feel very dated. DoA works really well on mobile, which I'm hoping for on here too. I often browse using my phone and it's a pain to zoom in and out constantly. Could we just keep using DollfieDreams.com for the website? I don't care much for any of the new names. DollfieDreams is straight to the point, whereas some of the others sound a bit... I dunno, pretentious or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eiko82 Posted February 26, 2019 I second just keeping the name DollfieDreams. If needed, we can just state in the forum description that it's for vinyl dolls like Dollfie Dreams, Smart Dolls and obitsus. Living at my place: Rise (DD Rise Kujikawa), Chie (Smart Doll Mirai) and Aisha (Smart Doll Kurenai) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cauldroness Posted February 26, 2019 To throw in my $0.02, I like Dollfie Dreaming. It's still the "DD" forum but it expands it a little further, I think. Doll Photos & Doll Jewelry Sales: Follow me on Instagram! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amber Posted February 27, 2019 Cauldroness said: To throw in my $0.02, I like Dollfie Dreaming. It's still the "DD" forum but it expands it a little further, I think. that's part of why i liked it also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jemmilly Posted February 27, 2019 Averis said: Imagine if you were -just- a Smart Doll owner (and I'm sure there are many now), I would imagine you would see DollfieDreams in a Google search and just move on to the next option out of hand, especially if you know they are a competing brand. I just wanted to agree with this - although I have a MDD now initially I came here looking for Smart Doll chat and I did find the focus on Volks DDs put me off registering until I actually had a Volks doll. I do think that if the name doesn’t change significantly people with other dolls could dismiss the site as being the same as before, with the same dolls off topic, and move on without looking. These three names seem to be the front runners VinylDarlings DollfieDreaming AngelicEther But I don’t know if that would be sufficient options for a poll? Anyway, please can someone tell me if it’s still ok to post new topics on this site? There was a bit of interest in a sewalong and I thought I might start a topic to discuss ideas. The posts will just move straight across to the new site, won’t they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foo Posted February 27, 2019 While I prefer keeping Dollfie Dreams (or Dreaming, sure) I can understand that Averis doesn't want trademarks in the name. Especially if we openly encourage talking about other dolls, I wouldn't be too surprised if Volks comes out and says "stop calling yourself Dollfie Dreams." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poofiemus Posted February 27, 2019 Dolly Dreaming? Dolly Dreams? Vinyl Dreaming? Kind of like the dreaming part, but given that "Dollfie" is used in basically ALL Volks' doll lines, if we're going to run into any kind of copyright trouble (or brand elitism accusations) then it's probably the "Dollfie" part we should avoid. In this household, sanity is considered a tresspasser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katnaper Posted February 27, 2019 I'm so excited for this and even though I haven't been very active, I still love this hobby and the people here at the forum (signed up for the patreon). I think I'd prefer vinylDarlings to Dollfie Dreaming since like Poofiemus said, the Dollfie part might get us into a snag if we open the forum to discussing other vinyls. We have our own BLOG. Please visit us at the House of Nyan by clicking this link or our sig above. See you there. Or, come see what Nyanko-sensei is up to at the Katnaper's Den Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cfx Posted February 27, 2019 Singer Yuna said: Dollzilla!!! Or dollzilla.moe Sorry for OT but I felt a need to post these: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Testament Posted February 27, 2019 Well, my 2 cents as well. I really like "vinylDarling", and I don't see any problem. It's not "SiliconLovers" XD. But I'm not a native English speaker, so I can't see many things you point at. Something like: DollsCollectors? Dollie Republic? Dolls Planet? Planet Dolls? DollsTengoku OneThirdDarlings (XDDD) MyLittleDolls (totally not My little pony reference) Too generic? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeyondTime Posted February 27, 2019 Testament said: Well, my 2 cents as well. I really like "vinylDarling", and I don't see any problem. It's not "SiliconLovers" XD. But I'm not a native English speaker, so I can't see many things you point at. Something like: Dolls Planet Planet Dolls Too generic? PlanetDoll or DollPlanet? I think it sounds better singular, but maybe that’s too close to Planet Hollywood? I have to admit I do like DollfieDreaming, but I still feel like we need to move away from the iconic Volks Dollfie name. dolldreaming has potential, but I think it’s already owned. The difference between Dollfie Dreams and Heroin? Heroin is illegal, Dollfie Dreams probably should be. “Empty wallets, full hearts.” That’s probably an apt description for the effects of DD addiction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cfx Posted February 27, 2019 What about "dollie" instead of "dollfie" in whatever name? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poofiemus Posted February 27, 2019 What if we name the site after our new mascot? Vinnie's Dreams? I personally adore Vinnie. All hail. In this household, sanity is considered a tresspasser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeyondTime Posted February 28, 2019 Poofiemus said: What if we name the site after our new mascot? Vinnie's Dreams? I personally adore Vinnie. All hail. Vinnie looks more like a Vincenza to me. Out of curiosity I did do a google search on “Vinyl Darlings”. All I got back was a bunch of stuff on LPs. Google at least doesn’t skew the results to adult oriented content. The difference between Dollfie Dreams and Heroin? Heroin is illegal, Dollfie Dreams probably should be. “Empty wallets, full hearts.” That’s probably an apt description for the effects of DD addiction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meggiekarp Posted February 28, 2019 Wolf said: Out of curiosity I did do a google search on “Vinyl Darlings”. All I got back was a bunch of stuff on LPs. Google at least doesn’t skew the results to adult oriented content. Yeah when I think of "vinyl" I automatically thing of LPs also, and sometimes Funko POPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K-2 Posted February 28, 2019 So what that "vinyl" is also associated with LPs. All of the site names given can be similarly associated with things unrelated to vinyl dolls. The word "vinyl" in the site name would accurately describe the site's contents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Testament Posted February 28, 2019 I agree, Professor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SakuraSylph Posted February 28, 2019 Some additional candidate names for consideration, incorporating a few different posters' suggestions and preferences: DollVinyl Dollhaven Vinylweaver Frameheart VinylSprites Sylvinyl (i.e. vinyl sylph portmanteau; a stretch to dolls, but a neat word) Heartthieves PreciousPoppets -> I wanted to second this possible idea; it's a useful term of endearment for doll purposes! (nice one). EDIT to add non-name-related thoughts: As a Volks collector with a smattering of Azone I suppose, I am worried that adding more doll brands at the equivalent level of emphasis will clutter up every section with irrelevant-to-me things. This is perfectly acceptable if there's a way to filter out the unwanted items, but if there isn't, it's clearly a downgrade. Filtering could simply be forum organization itself, I suppose, or a Search that is capable enough. I'm not against others getting to talk about the brands they want to, just so long as it doesn't get in the way of what this site was about originally! SakuraSylph Share this post Link to post Share on other sites