DDIII and DDF3 comparisons???

I’ve been looking everywhere and I couldn’t find any comparisons of DDIII and DDF3. I was thinking of changing my dolls frame from DDIII to DDF3 but I want to know how good the new frame is first. If anyone has a doll with DDF3 could you tell me about it or make a comparison between the two frames? That would be great! Thanks!

I've been swamped with work lately but I wanted to make this while I didn't have time today. I got Melty a new DDS f3 body; while her one-piece torso is beautiful I really want to be able to pose her. The f3 body is GREAT at that.

 

 

I have to compare the upper body with a DD3, so Yaya,

 

 

It looks like Yaya's leg needs to be pushed in a bit at the hip...

 

Unfortunately the DDS's upper torso is shorter than DD3, so you can't really compare them directly (the middle joint on DDS is relatively higher than it is on DD3). Leaning forward and backward I didn't see much difference between the two,

 

 

Update: The only thing restricting movement on the f3 is the vinyl, the actual frame is able to bend completely (it's the ball). The DD3's probably being restricted the same way which is why they're about the same.

 

But twisting the torso horizontally is a completely different story. That's Melty's butt, she turns 360°. This is Yaya all the way to the left,

 

 

and Yaya all the way to the right,

 

 

I can properly compare the DDS legs though. Here's the legs straight. You can see that the f3's curves are stronger (calves are a bit thicker and it narrows more as it goes down the ankles), and that the new kneecap is thicker,

 

 

Actually, the speaking of the ankles, there's been a big fuss about the fact that you can see the ball. Here's the f3,

 

 

and here's the old one,

 

 

Honestly I prefer the new one. Although you can see a ball it makes for a more narrow ankle overall. I didn't think that the old ankles looked good in the first place, especially if you had to bend the foot to sit in high heeled shoes. You end up with this really awkward bump, plus socks tend to bunch up and get caught in the gap. Also, considering the way you can take the legs apart now, I think it's more practical for Volks to release high heeled feet (basically a new lower leg).

 

Here's the profile of the knees bent. Note when comparing the two pics that the f3 thigh isn't pointing straight down! I overlooked that. I'm sure that the old knees bent more. Gravity wasn't in my favour either, if you force it the old legs can bend more than this.

 

 

However, the new knees look a lot better when bent. Here's a pic from the front, unfortunately the two of them aren't posed the same (f3 is twisted a bit),

 

 

Here are the knees showing the inside of the thigh,

 

 

Outside,

 

 

Above,

 

 

And from the back,

 

 

I think the new knees look a lot better overall, except for the thick kneecap I mentioned above. The kneecap isn't as thick as it is on the DDP, with Iori it can look really jarring (that photo makes it look worse than it is though). I haven't tried making Melty wear long socks yet to see how it looks. I'm sure the old leg would look better straight, but the new leg will look way better when bent (DDP for example).

 

Here's the back compared to DD3 (Yaya's hip definitely needs to be squeezed in, I don't think f3 has that problem because the two legs are joined to each other rather than just plugging into the hip),

 

 

side,

 

 

One thing is that that while I thought the old legs twisted a useful amount for posing (ignore the direction of the foot), it's nothing like the new ones,

 

 

Edit: while this comparison isn't wrong a more useful comparison would be to show how much they rotate while the knee is bent.

 

I'd like to do more (answer questions) but I really don't have much time... I'm also flying out to the Kyoto Dolpa in a few days. I really shouldn't have spent so much time on this...

 

Edit: I dropped this,

 

Edited March 4, 2019 by Guest

Thanks for such an informative post Foo! I’ve been a little puzzled at all the complaints about f3 because I really like what I see myself. Have fun at Dolpa with the fish!

Thanks for such an informative post Foo! I’ve been a little puzzled at all the complaints about f3 because I really like what I see myself. Have fun at Dolpa with the fish!

Thanks The fish tickets were sold out though

Nice post. There seemed to be so much bad vibes from the new body I was unsure, but now I'm not worried about it.

 

And I've got to say it feels so weird to see your Yaya taller then the other doll.

Thank you for the comparison! It was really helpful!

Nice post. There seemed to be so much bad vibes from the new body I was unsure, but now I'm not worried about it.

That's normal really, people question what's different. Like when I got into the hobby the DD3 was new, I can't remember what the discussion was (maybe DD2 parts going away?), but I remember people saying "I don't want a DD3 body" ヽ(●-`Д´-)ノ which now is like ಠ_ಠ

 

Although the first DD3 bodies were fragile, I remember people it was about complaining about things that they preferred about the DD2 body. It takes a while for people to find out & appreciate what's new.

 

Thank you for the comparison! It was really helpful!

You're welcome

Thanks for the detailed post. You've tried some things with the F3 that never occurred to me to try. XD

 

I think the DDP has a few spots where the thickness of the vinyl is pretty pronounced. The bust is like that as well. I think it's a compromise on size vs the sturdiness of the vinyl. I have to say that I prefer that to the flimsy feeling of the Azone 50 body.

 

Iori and Yayoi are so cute though that I never really notice the knees unless I look.

Thanks so much for the comparison @foo

I'd also been a bit skeptical of the DDF3 body because of the things other people had been saying about it, but judging by your photos I think I may prefer it over the DD3 body. I definitely like the look of the new ankle joints - they look so much sleeker than the bulgy ankles of the previous body - and the added leg mobility looks pretty nice too.

Thanks for the pictures, especially the ones comparing DDS vs. DDS legs. I'm still in the "prefer old body" camp as I like the old ankles and knees better, I hate the loss of one-piece bodies, and the price increase is still a sticking point for me, so I hope the old bodies hang around for sale for a while.

 

I think we won't know if they plan to make single-piece bodies again until a limited doll with a bare-midriff outfit is released again.

 

I think we won't know if they plan to make single-piece bodies again until a limited doll with a bare-midriff outfit is released again.

 

In a way I am almost surprised that they didn't go with busts more like the DDDy, or SmD. Their desire to keep the option parts in common with the DDIII won out, but it did leave them in a bind over the unitorso. They really need to step up on that one, and put out a replacement.

In a way I am almost surprised that they didn't go with busts more like the DDDy, or SmD.

I'm sure they have a lot of sales data that helps determine what sells :/ Originally DDs had a rather narrow market, but as it grew the bust sizes shrank (・・')

 

I forgot to include a photo that I uploaded, so I just added it to the end of my post.

I think we won't know if they plan to make single-piece bodies again until a limited doll with a bare-midriff outfit is released again.

In a way I am almost surprised that they didn't go with busts more like the DDDy, or SmD. Their desire to keep the option parts in common with the DDIII won out, but it did leave them in a bind over the unitorso. They really need to step up on that one, and put out a replacement.

I don't own a DDdy because I don't like the body proportions, but my impression is that having the torso joint line higher like that limits the movement of that joint over the DD design, at least from side to side? If so that may be another reason they didn't change this.

 

I forgot to include a photo that I uploaded, so I just added it to the end of my post.

What you show there is probably the primary reason they changed the ankle joints to expose more of the ball.

In a way I am almost surprised that they didn't go with busts more like the DDDy, or SmD.

I'm sure they have a lot of sales data that helps determine what sells :/ Originally DDs had a rather narrow market, but as it grew the bust sizes shrank (・・')

 

I this case I meant the higher bust line of the DDDy, which would potentially solve the midriff baring outfit issue that two-piece torsos suffer from.

I this case I meant the higher bust line of the DDDy, which would potentially solve the midriff baring outfit issue that two-piece torsos suffer from.

Oh right. That reminds me of something (doll nudity), I realize now there's a pose I forgot to try out.

 

There is merit to having the joint at more natural spot in the middle of the torso (I remembered that rather cute photo set mizya^^). I guess Volks has decided to address it by offering normal, single torso for midriff, and DDdy for pure (∩˃o˂∩)♡

 

Lovely Rin by bodolza, on Flickr

 

I want to make it clear that I don't think that DDdy/SmD torso is worse, it's pretty obvious why people want them and they look good. You're just giving up something in exchange.

I want to make it clear that I don't think that DDdy/SmD torso is worse, it's pretty obvious why people want them and they look good. You're just giving up something in exchange.

 

I much prefer the one-piece to the DDDy torso. I'm just surprised that if they planned to phase it out they didn't use the body upgrade to find a different solution.

I this case I meant the higher bust line of the DDDy, which would potentially solve the midriff baring outfit issue that two-piece torsos suffer from.

There is merit to having the joint at more natural spot in the middle of the torso (I remembered that rather cute photo set mizya^^). I guess Volks has decided to address it by offering normal, single torso for midriff, and DDdy for pure (∩˃o˂∩)♡

That is slightly horrifying not going to lie.

Imagine walking in on your parents or SO or boss doing stretches and their entire upper body just... Dislocates.

I am so glad to finally come across a comparison using the new DDF3 I've been so curious about the actual posing of it myself so thank you!

Although Melty being able to 360 and look at her own hind end that's creepy. LOL!!! 

The impression I'm getting is that the F3 is kind of an incremental upgrade from DDIII, but a MASSIVE upgrade compared to DDII. If I upgrade anyone, it'd probably be my DDII based girls: Nanoha, Fate, and/or Agatha.

I wonder how many modifications would a DDIII need to even remotely reach f3 levels? Also, someone on Twitter (DozenDolls) managed to cram an f3 frame into a one-piece torso, though that would require some feasibility study to see how it can be done.

1 hour ago, Poofiemus said:

The impression I'm getting is that the F3 is kind of an incremental upgrade from DDIII, but a MASSIVE upgrade compared to DDII. If I upgrade anyone, it'd probably be my DDII based girls: Nanoha, Fate, and/or Agatha.

Yeah, that is my initial plan. 

9 hours ago, kct said:

I wonder how many modifications would a DDIII need to even remotely reach f3 levels? Also, someone on Twitter (DozenDolls) managed to cram an f3 frame into a one-piece torso, though that would require some feasibility study to see how it can be done.

I messed around with that when my Saber Altria arrived, and the only way I could see to do it would be to disassemble part of the upper torso and reassemble in inside the doll.