The Facebook debacle & other issues

Not to get too off-topic here, but I think "corporations are not your friend and pinkwashing is bad" and "it is now more profitable to market to The Gays (tm) than to cow to homo/transphobes which is a good thing" can coexist.

I'm pretty sure Danny wouldn't do a Pride thing purely because Volks hasn't done one yet and he's primarily here to "one-up" them. That said, if I ever get a Smart Doll of my own, she's getting the full camp treatment every June. Gotta rep my community with my dolls.

Edited June 7, 2021 by fishbuttz

Honestly it's probably more likely A) A lack of understanding, or the awareness that it'd take effort to understand LGBTQIA+ well enough to make Pride products and back it up with his usual spiels ( the Genesis "shim" incident was proof of needing more understanding/knowledge. Which to Danny's credit he was receptive to critique for that).

And/or B) a lack of personal interest. Danny has made it clear he won't make things he isn't personally interested in, which he has cited as the reason for a lack of male dolls (because he has trouble finding them attractive). It stands to reason that if he has no vested interest in LGBTQIA+/Pride, then there won't be products made for it.

Um doesn't his "hammer time list" have people he personally dislikes, not just criminals? and this is illegal isn't it?

2 hours ago, lucidium said:

Um doesn't his "hammer time list" have people he personally dislikes, not just criminals? and this is illegal isn't it?

 
there was some earlier discussion on this as well, and yup on his list, so some people may be about to find their ability to use third parties also cut off

 

as for legality, potentially an issue with EU laws, other places don’t have as robust data privacy laws so yeah… see how that goes I guess

Edited June 9, 2021 by abs2891

1 hour ago, lucidium said:

Um doesn't his "hammer time list" have people he personally dislikes, not just criminals? and this is illegal isn't it?

rip to our fabric friends dolls buyers...

11 hours ago, lucidium said:

Um doesn't his "hammer time list" have people he personally dislikes, not just criminals? and this is illegal isn't it?

Depends, I suppose. They're located in Japan, so I'm not sure how the EU laws apply, but this is probably in some way, shape, or form, a GDPR violation.

GDPR applies everywhere. It's a pain in the butt, and why I lost my Ragnarok Online account grrr. However, any EU customers can ask what data is held on them and that any data is purged as soon as possible iirc. (Sometimes it gets a bit messy because laws overlap - like having to keep names and addresses from purchases for a certain number of years for tax reasons. However once that time is up there needs to be systems in place to remove people's personal info if asked.)

I dunno if Danny's shit list would count as essential info. If it was just fraud, then perhaps (although there's likely a legal limit on that) but as its scope includes people banned for no legal reason, I dunno if he could keep that info. I only know enough about GDPR to run an online shop though, so don't put much faith in my advice. Except the first paragraph, 'cos my shop went through that.

Edit: OK, it seems that fraud prevention is covered under "legitimate interest". However, I doubt the same can be said of random bans, because there's no crime to be investigated. Sharing information without consent or without exception of legitimate interest can open businesses up to a penalty of at least $20M.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Katsudon

The thing is, it will only be a problem for him if someone actually has the time/money/guts to get lawyers involved. And I can't imagine anyone in the community doing this as it would lead to even more aggressive callouts + his fanbase tearing them apart all over social media. It would probably have to be one of the random rich parents and we don't have any way to tell if he treats them as badly as people in the community.

I don't think it would hold up in court, but the problem is getting it into court in the first place.

(This is just going to result in people becoming proxies for people who want to buy through FF&D but are on the ban list.) 

I have no horse in this race but GDPR violations are very serious. I work for a SaaS company that retains basic information on behalf of other companies (think name and email, no credit card or SSN info or anything) and when GDPR was established it was a massive undertaking to adjust our systems to be compliant as well as instruct everyone on how to use it in a compliant manner after that. We have about a million disclaimers about how people are responsible for their own data storage to keep us out of any violation penalties as well.

It would not take a huge legal effort to ding a company for it. The only requirement is that someone EU-based requests their information purged and is refused OR if they can prove that FFD has their information for non-legitimate reasons. Being told they are banned while having no previous dealings with the shop and having not committed any actual fraud would be sufficient I think. With the amount involved for fines only time/guts would be a factor if he really did violate GDPR. 

Otherwise though if you are banned and from the EU I’d definitely request he purge your information at least. No sense in letting him hang onto it if you’re on his grudge list. 

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I nearly forgot to mention - all Smart Doll guys will now come in the slim body with an option to buy the macho parts separately. This is because many folks struggled with the macho arms. Macho parts will come with 101 checkboxes that folks need to check to make sure they are cool with all the reasons not to buy the parts.

 

A. not a solution

B. i appricate that you are finally considering boy dolls again, but like really dude?

 

43 minutes ago, monkeypizzasonic said:

This is because many folks struggled with the macho arms

Weren't the messed up smart doll guy arms a design flaw on their part

14 minutes ago, Geck_O said:

 

Weren't the messed up smart doll guy arms a design flaw on their part

why yes.   but would he ever admit to a flaw in his system?  why no   of course the hell not.    fear sempai!   

I was struggling the other day to get my Suzaku's arm back on after changing him, and he has the slim parts. It isn't just a problem of the macho parts, which make the arms bulkier and the chest a bit deeper, but rather that the boys use the same frame as the girls so the shoulder sockets aren't as close to the openings in the bust. I don't want to complain really since I still want to be able to buy boys if they ever get released, I'm just saying that this won't fix anything. The only thing that would is a different upper frame part, which I doubt would happen since boys are an afterthought at best.

4 hours ago, monkeypizzasonic said:

but the problem is getting it into court in the first place.

This is assuming that his statement wasn’t largely an empty threat. He might tell a partner like fabric and friends, but getting people banned from courier services because he doesn’t like them would be beyond stupid. 

I'd really hate to think FFD was a willing participant in this (possibly illegal?) ban list. Iris is super sweet, and FFD is my favorite place to buy Azone's Pure Neemo dolls from. 😔

2 hours ago, empty said:

I have no horse in this race but GDPR violations are very serious. I work for a SaaS company that retains basic information on behalf of other companies (think name and email, no credit card or SSN info or anything) and when GDPR was established it was a massive undertaking to adjust our systems to be compliant as well as instruct everyone on how to use it in a compliant manner after that. We have about a million disclaimers about how people are responsible for their own data storage to keep us out of any violation penalties as well.

It would not take a huge legal effort to ding a company for it. The only requirement is that someone EU-based requests their information purged and is refused OR if they can prove that FFD has their information for non-legitimate reasons. Being told they are banned while having no previous dealings with the shop and having not committed any actual fraud would be sufficient I think. With the amount involved for fines only time/guts would be a factor if he really did violate GDPR. 

Otherwise though if you are banned and from the EU I’d definitely request he purge your information at least. No sense in letting him hang onto it if you’re on his grudge list. 

Out of genuine interest I searched the Smart Doll site for any legal terms and conditions and...

...wabi-sabi! Yeah, I couldn't find anything about GDPR or personal data despite there being a million words on rants and memes and I don't even know anymore. It's depressing, in a way.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Katsudon

6 minutes ago, Selenae said:

I'd really hate to think FFD was a willing participant in this (possibly illegal?) ban list. Iris is super sweet, and FFD is my favorite place to buy Azone's Pure Neemo dolls from. 😔

He might have just given her a list and not distinguished between people he banned for scalping/legit reasons and people he banned for Danny Reasons. Which means she's gonna end up having to sort through and figure it out herself when people try to buy from her.

Yeah, if he has just given her a list of people, it'd be unsafe of her to keep it. Not worth risking a fine over imo. 😨

2 hours ago, Geck_O said:

Weren't the messed up smart doll guy arms a design flaw on their part

1 hour ago, wishbearstar said:

why yes.   but would he ever admit to a flaw in his system?  why no   of course the hell not.

52 minutes ago, Selenae said:

I'd really hate to think FFD was a willing participant in this (possibly illegal?) ban list. Iris is super sweet, and FFD is my favorite place to buy Azone's Pure Neemo dolls from. 😔

To honest, I doubt she has a choice in the matter. Which could mean that he may check in to make sure she’s enforcing it and withdraw an agreement to let her sell his products if there is a violation. 

I feel like it’s only a matter of time before his most ardent fans are allowed access to the ‘hammer list’ to restrict third party selling within the community...that is if any of them dare sell anything to begin with.

3 hours ago, empty said:

Being told they are banned while having no previous dealings with the shop and having not committed any actual fraud would be sufficient I think. With the amount involved for fines only time/guts would be a factor if he really did violate GDPR. 

Otherwise though if you are banned and from the EU I’d definitely request he purge your information at least. No sense in letting him hang onto it if you’re on his grudge list. 

From what I recall, he doesn't formally ban people. Their orders misteriously and always have issues that cause them to be refund. And he doesn't answer to emails from those people, so there is no official "you're banned".

I do wonder how that works out legally, though... 

2 hours ago, Jezrah said:

I was struggling the other day to get my Suzaku's arm back on after changing him, and he has the slim parts. It isn't just a problem of the macho parts, which make the arms bulkier and the chest a bit deeper, but rather that the boys use the same frame as the girls so the shoulder sockets aren't as close to the openings in the bust. I don't want to complain really since I still want to be able to buy boys if they ever get released, I'm just saying that this won't fix anything. The only thing that would is a different upper frame part, which I doubt would happen since boys are an afterthought at best.

I struggled with my Lelouch's arm, an it brought me to tears.   finally I just gave up an let mr. superglue fix my problems.   I agree  make the boy frames different, from the ladies    problem solved          is the cost that worrisome?    one word:cheapskate.    

For all the protestations DC has over making the male Smart Dolls, I feel like it would have been a much better investment than the Cortex project was. There could have been a proper male frame designed and I imagine it would have worked out so much better.

56 minutes ago, Zaliayn said:

For all the protestations DC has over making the male Smart Dolls, I feel like it would have been a much better investment than the Cortex project was. There could have been a proper male frame designed and I imagine it would have worked out so much better.

I agree.

1 hour ago, Zaliayn said:

For all the protestations DC has over making the male Smart Dolls, I feel like it would have been a much better investment than the Cortex project was. There could have been a proper male frame designed and I imagine it would have worked out so much better.

Seriously, if a male smartdoll was for sale when I first started looking for a doll, I’d almost definitely own one though the way the website was written is a real turn off for me so it’d have been a purchase that made me feel nervous.  Even now, I still think they’re nice though the arm issues are concerning and well… the rest has me not intending to buy a smartdoll at this time.

I wish volks would get those bodies out of being just dream choice exclusive 😑