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i really want to turn my upcoming Manaka into Chii from chobits.

the problem is that i'm not sure whether i should stick her on the regular DD body, DDP body (i feel like it fits her face better), or a MDD body (i also think it fits, and damn its just so cute). body aside though, i need wigs and eyes.. and clothes.. every single time i buy wigs/eyes/clothes for my dolls, i get screwed over and end up with something completely different from the listing photos.

i do check reviews to make sure what i'm buying at least looks a little like the listing, but i just seem to get royally screwed especially on wigs. it's not even a matter of the styling changing- but rather the material/texture used to make it, and the color. because of the fact that i've bought items so many times for my resin dolls and got what was essentially a waste of money, i'm super weary to buy stuff now and they all sit around with nothing.. sad.

i don't want my dollfie to meet that same fate, and so would anyone have recommendations in mind based on personal experience? aside from stuff that looks like Chii, i'm also looking for wigs in black/brown- and eyes in brown/grey/blue.. but i really like the more dull and lifeless looking eyes that i see on lots of custom DDH01/DDH10. as for clothing, just anything fairly priced that wouldn't stain. sorry if this is a weird post or quite demanding but in all honesty i'm just so scared to shop for actual stuff for my dolls because it hasn't really ever ended well T_T

(side note, i also have a few characters that i could stick onto manaka and if it's alright that i post those concepts here, i will in a reply)

37 minutes ago, miraclelovely said:

the problem is that i'm not sure whether i should stick her on the regular DD body, DDP body (i feel like it fits her face better), or a MDD body

Its a matter of personal preference, but if I'd be making a skynet ... Chii custom id probably put it on a DDS, considering the whole bootup sequence she's not that childlike in form to go DDP or MDD (yes, again, the total lack of.. erm.. substance, on the DDP, and the MDD is just a bit too short despite options in this department)

2 minutes ago, finnleo said:

Its a matter of personal preference, but if I'd be making a skynet ... Chii custom id probably put it on a DDS, considering the whole bootup sequence she's not that childlike in form to go DDP or MDD (yes, again, the total lack of.. erm.. substance, on the DDP, and the MDD is just a bit too short despite options in this department)

you’re right about that. i had considered DDS primarily for Chii, but i was trying to kill as many birds as possible with one body (aka sharing chii’s body with my ocs for the sake of money LOL). that boot up sequence definitely is the reason that i am considering the regular DD body because then i wouldn’t really be too odd of a choice. hmm, maybe i’ll go back to looking into DDS. if worst comes to worst, i’ll just get MDD body for my ocs and Chii can have the DD body. but then clothing shopping will be hell T_T 

also i just want to add that i really hated chobits and it’s whole narrative so i wouldn’t be putting the Chii doll in any freaky clothing- pls don’t think of it as something like that T_T”” i just liked Chii’s design a lot and i think it fits the head sculpt really well. i plan to make her 100% purely sweet and angelic looking! i don’t know how to edit my post on mobile so i’m just gonna add this in here because i don’t want it to come across like i actually support the way that the anime was made at all. i hated it and i feel bad for the wasted character design on Chii and Yuzuki.

In my opinion Manaka looks perfect as a DDP, which I was able to see thanks to Subaru’s:

(more pics of her on that page too)

I never actually liked her sculpt when I saw it on a DD because it always looked far too small for her head to me. I’m not sure how much better DDS would be to me personally, but it’s not my decision. 
I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with making your own version of Chii, it’s not like she’s particularly busty or anything. I have fond memories of the Chobits series although when I revisited this year parts of it were just so ludicrous to me and it has aged really poorly lol...but I still like Chii a lot, like you, and think a DDP version would be charming.
Theres discussion about clothing for DDP here.

The main drawback of the body is that there aren’t any optional hand parts, although I’ve seen people put obitsu hands on it. You can technically attach MDD hands or DD hands but I think the MDD ones look comically small and the DD ones comically large.

44 minutes ago, miraclelovely said:

also i just want to add that i really hated chobits and it’s whole narrative so i wouldn’t be putting the Chii doll in any freaky clothing- pls don’t think of it as something like that T_T”” i just liked Chii’s design a lot and i think it fits the head sculpt really well. i plan to make her 100% purely sweet and angelic looking! i don’t know how to edit my post on mobile so i’m just gonna add this in here because i don’t want it to come across like i actually support the way that the anime was made at all. i hated it and i feel bad for the wasted character design on Chii and Yuzuki.

If you really disliked it that much, you can at least take some solace in the fact that CLAMP'S works all take place in multiple universes, as of the anime/manga Tsubasa. Chii has an alternate in Fai's world and was close to him, and honestly you could come up with your own alternate world and because of how that world works it would basically be canon. 

Also there's nothing to be ashamed of in liking a character. I like characters but not the shows they come from all the time. It's just a thing that happens. 

Your doll idea sounds really cute and I can't wait to see Chii when you finish her 😄

56 minutes ago, miraclelovely said:

i don’t know how to edit my post on mobile so i’m just gonna add this in here because i don’t want it to come across like i actually support the way that the anime was made at all. i hated it and i feel bad for the wasted character design on Chii and Yuzuki.

You need to be a full member to edit your posts - two weeks of membership and 30 posts.

 

10 minutes ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

Chii has an alternate in Fai's world and was close to him

She also has an alternate in Fort City Bit from Tsubasa.

Dobato... errr.. Kobato (which is pretty much maybe the only clamp series I've tolerated besides chobits) also has the twins (sans USB-ports) Chiho and Chise, since its partially set in the apartment building chitose owns.

Edited September 22, 2020 by finnleo

7 hours ago, Monty said:

In my opinion Manaka looks perfect as a DDP, which I was able to see thanks to Subaru’s:

(more pics of her on that page too)

I never actually liked her sculpt when I saw it on a DD because it always looked far too small for her head to me. I’m not sure how much better DDS would be to me personally, but it’s not my decision. 
I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with making your own version of Chii, it’s not like she’s particularly busty or anything. I have fond memories of the Chobits series although when I revisited this year parts of it were just so ludicrous to me and it has aged really poorly lol...but I still like Chii a lot, like you, and think a DDP version would be charming.
Theres discussion about clothing for DDP here.

The main drawback of the body is that there aren’t any optional hand parts, although I’ve seen people put obitsu hands on it. You can technically attach MDD hands or DD hands but I think the MDD ones look comically small and the DD ones comically large.

she looks so cute as a ddp! the hand issue is a fair point though, but man it just looks like such a good fit for her head. i agree that it looks too small for the regular DD body. and thank you for your understanding! i watched chobits recently rather than in the past, so the whole age gaps/fanservice on the younger characters was just not really sliding with me... i think if they’d just stuck to the main plot rather than adding in those creepy bits, i’d have enjoyed it a lot more T_T” i’ll start sifting through that clothing thread btw!

 

7 hours ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

If you really disliked it that much, you can at least take some solace in the fact that CLAMP'S works all take place in multiple universes, as of the anime/manga Tsubasa. Chii has an alternate in Fai's world and was close to him, and honestly you could come up with your own alternate world and because of how that world works it would basically be canon. 

Also there's nothing to be ashamed of in liking a character. I like characters but not the shows they come from all the time. It's just a thing that happens. 

Your doll idea sounds really cute and I can't wait to see Chii when you finish her 😄

it was just so creepy to me, mostly how they’d portrayed Yumi! i’ll definitely come up with my own alternate world then! thank you very much for understanding though LOL. i’ll try not to feel too bad for liking Chii! also thank you, i’ll definitely post her when i finish her! ^^

 

7 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

You need to be a full member to edit your posts - two weeks of membership and 30 posts.

 

She also has an alternate in Fort City Bit from Tsubasa.

ohh thank you! i’m glad i didn’t just miss an edit button or something LOL. and wow, there’s a lot of alternate Chii’s hahaha!

 

6 hours ago, finnleo said:

Dobato... errr.. Kobato (which is pretty much maybe the only clamp series I've tolerated besides chobits) also has the twins (sans USB-ports) Chiho and Chise, since its partially set in the apartment building chitose owns.

omg the only other tolerable series... yikes for clamp LOL. i’ll keep in mind there’s another tolerable series though because i did like the art style!

The problem here is that you are talking about mot liking the anime. Chobits was one of the first manga series I ever bought, back when I was in junior high. For me, since it's a highly nostalgic piece I still love the manga. Even though young me recognized that there was a lot of fan service, in the case of the persocom characters I think it was supposed to be creepy? The point of the story was that no one was bothering with human relationships anymore, which made the creators sad. Any fan service with Chii was meant to show her as tempting to Hideki, but he makes the right choice in the end. And Yumi was also a sad character, because she wanted a human relationship but felt inferior to persocoms. It is weird that her love interest is so much older in the manga, though.

Anyways, I get why watching the anime as an adult could make you cringe, but that's really because the anime does not hold a candle to the deeper themes explored in the manga. The anime is just, oh look how cute Chii is, without the substance to back it up.

2 hours ago, miraclelovely said:

9 hours ago, finnleo said:

Dobato... errr.. Kobato (which is pretty much maybe the only clamp series I've tolerated besides chobits) also has the twins (sans USB-ports) Chiho and Chise, since its partially set in the apartment building chitose owns.

omg the only other tolerable series... yikes for clamp LOL. i’ll keep in mind there’s another tolerable series though because i did like the art style!

Well, clamp does divide the masses ... I only said this because I got called a cynical little sh**t when i said CCS would be ok if they'd chopped at least a third out of the runtime -- Though I Will admit that series has some very impressive animation tricks in it though (I actually do have the Pioneer/Geneon book-style box sets of it).

Im also not that into the whole clampiverse thing, was actually a bit saddened that chobits was so heavily borrowed for Kobato, but that ended up rather well in any case... because Kana Hanazawa I guess...and also the dude who played Ioryogi.

30 minutes ago, Jezrah said:

Anyways, I get why watching the anime as an adult could make you cringe, but that's really because the anime does not hold a candle to the deeper themes explored in the manga. The anime is just, oh look how cute Chii is, without the substance to back it up.

I dont recall what the age rating of what chobits was supposed to be in Japan, but I suppose they just didnt want to revist the powerbutton in chii's case for the anime

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Since in the manga that ended up being a limitating part of having a "wholesome" relationship with Chii.

But I do think the anime did cover every other story bits of the relationship issues with the walking computers, the patessier and yumi, minoru and yuzuki, and the teacher.

I guess the whole "She's still cute though!" bits are more rememberable in the anime because of the whole simplified pastel graphics they included. (which were lifted and enhanced from the manga if I recall correct... too lazy to go pull out the books)

1 hour ago, Jezrah said:

The problem here is that you are talking about mot liking the anime. Chobits was one of the first manga series I ever bought, back when I was in junior high. For me, since it's a highly nostalgic piece I still love the manga. Even though young me recognized that there was a lot of fan service, in the case of the persocom characters I think it was supposed to be creepy? The point of the story was that no one was bothering with human relationships anymore, which made the creators sad. Any fan service with Chii was meant to show her as tempting to Hideki, but he makes the right choice in the end. And Yumi was also a sad character, because she wanted a human relationship but felt inferior to persocoms. It is weird that her love interest is so much older in the manga, though.

Anyways, I get why watching the anime as an adult could make you cringe, but that's really because the anime does not hold a candle to the deeper themes explored in the manga. The anime is just, oh look how cute Chii is, without the substance to back it up.

i think that i do like the concept of humans forgetting about each other for the persocoms, it’s a message that’s especially prevalent these days. i did also enjoy the gradual build up and how it was explained that Chii can and can’t do things just like humans can and can’t do- my only issue was just... the age differences and just portrayal of younger characters. i can see how as a kid, that kind of stuff isn’t really noticeable or doesn’t seem problematic and i’m sure i wouldn’t have really noticed it, had i watched it when i was younger. going into Chobits, i knew absolutely nothing about clamp or the series though and i was just kind of grossed out by the way that they normalized the relationship between a grown adult and a high schooler. Yumi even asks if it’s okay to be together because she’s so young, and not only is she reaffirmed that it’s okay by one person, but by two. it’s just a touchy subject and i didn’t want to come across as though i supported that. i think that Chobits had a really interesting premise but i wish all the characters were just of age, if they wanted to take the route of fan service. 

 

33 minutes ago, finnleo said:

Well, clamp does divide the masses ... I only said this because I got called a cynical little sh**t when i said CCS would be ok if they'd chopped at least a third out of the runtime -- Though I Will admit that series has some very impressive animation tricks in it though (I actually do have the Pioneer/Geneon book-style box sets of it).

Im also not that into the whole clampiverse thing, was actually a bit saddened that chobits was so heavily borrowed for Kobato, but that ended up rather well in any case... because Kana Hanazawa I guess...and also the dude who played Ioryogi.

I dont recall what the age rating of what chobits was supposed to be in Japan, but I suppose they just didnt want to revist the powerbutton in chii's case for the anime

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Since in the manga that ended up being a limitating part of having a "wholesome" relationship with Chii.

But I do think the anime did cover every other story bits of the relationship issues with the walking computers, the patessier and yumi, minoru and yuzuki, and the teacher.

I guess the whole "She's still cute though!" bits are more rememberable in the anime because of the whole simplified pastel graphics they included. (which were lifted and enhanced from the manga if I recall correct... too lazy to go pull out the books)

i think Chobits was rated PG13, which surprised me. honestly i just wish they didn’t push on such unhealthy relationships for the human pairings- especially not if you’re marking it as PG13 because that just pushes on the idea that it’s okay if your partner is an adult when you’re a child- as long as you’re in love. the power button was something that i just.. choose to forget because i could live without knowing where it was. I’ve never thought of it this way before just now but it’s kind of weird though, Chii and Freya were initially made to be children for a couple who couldn’t have any.. so why would their “father” put their power buttons there? weirdness aside, Chobits message about humans losing touch was good, just not well executed. also didn’t age well because back then, societal norms were different. just think if Chobits was released this year how differently received it would’ve been. 

also i didn’t intend to create a chobits discussion thread initially but it seems like that’s what happened LOL. it’s interesting seeing the different takes everyone has on it though, and i feel like it makes a big difference when you’ve initially watched the series. 

12 minutes ago, miraclelovely said:

i think Chobits was rated PG13

Well, my original Pioneer USA dvd's are rated 16 and up, like every other series back in the day (like Tiny snow fairy Sugar of all things...), I was more referring to the original japanese television broadcast setup that did it have to comply to something there.

12 minutes ago, miraclelovely said:

why would their “father” put their power buttons there?

In the graphic novels (or manga if you wish) it is actually explained a bit more, like jezrah mentioned this bit was simplified for the animated series, while the other characters, whom I think were the main buildup to the whole dilemma on the rooftop were handled more or less identically (I think ... still .. its been awhile since I watched or read this.. like ... ten years or so)

1 hour ago, finnleo said:

Well, my original Pioneer USA dvd's are rated 16 and up, like every other series back in the day (like Tiny snow fairy Sugar of all things...), I was more referring to the original japanese television broadcast setup that did it have to comply to something there.

In the graphic novels (or manga if you wish) it is actually explained a bit more, like jezrah mentioned this bit was simplified for the animated series, while the other characters, whom I think were the main buildup to the whole dilemma on the rooftop were handled more or less identically (I think ... still .. its been awhile since I watched or read this.. like ... ten years or so)

ooooh, i see! in that case, i'm glad it had a higher age rating than the PG13 that i've seen. also i guess i should take a look at the novels or manga some day in that case, because the anime did leave a lot uncovered in regards to Chii especially. 

I would recommend at least DDP, best would be DDS imo! DDP looks very frail and childlish IRL and they can be a little floppy if you're unlucky. I think you chose the most perfect head mold and even default faceup you could for a Chii character!!! She's going to be so cute

9 hours ago, miraclelovely said:

it was just so creepy to me, mostly how they’d portrayed Yumi! i’ll definitely come up with my own alternate world then! thank you very much for understanding though LOL. i’ll try not to feel too bad for liking Chii! also thank you, i’ll definitely post her when i finish her! ^^

I think the biggest problem here for a lot of us is the age-difference, but because we aren't looking at it through the view of how it's seen by that other culture. 

Yumi's 14.... but so is Serena/Usagi from Sailor Moon. And Serena is dating a college guy too. (Don't even get my started on the whole thing with Mini-Moon trying to steal Darian/Maumoru from Serena. She even kissed him. Bleh.) In their culture, that's normal. To us it's skeevy because our age of consent and viewing someone as an adult is 18. Their age of consent is 13. ;w;

Also in Japan there's this whole thing about "compensated dating" which is basically younger girls having someone more or less like a sugar daddy. There's more to it than that, and I wont go into details here, but that's normal for them. 

But I get it. I honestly feel the same way when I go back and watch things like Black Butler... where the creator was outright shipping Ciel with Sebastian. Like, it was official. Her editors told her not to do it, and she did it anyway. So I'm doing the same thing, where I might not like the specific canon, but I do like the characters. And there's no shame in that. 

TL;DR: Like your favorite characters and don't worry about any of us judging you because the anime might be a little weird. Most of them are. XD

 

Edit: Also felt the need to throw this in here: Please don't think that by me explaining the culture means that I agree with the younger ones being paired with adults. Because I don't. However other cultures are a thing we need to take into consideration when we wonder why things are the way they are. ;w; 

Edited September 22, 2020 by ButtonsMcGee

5 hours ago, miraclelovely said:

so why would their “father” put their power buttons there?

TOTAlly didn't see this at first buuuuut the Wiki can help us with answering things. First thing's first, the difference in Chii's programing between the anime and manga:

"Before doing this, her father gave her a "gift"; this gift was a program, designed to do one thing. If in her new life, Chii failed to find the Person Just for Her, she would connect to every persocom on the planet and execute a program that would delete the individual-recognition abilities of all persocoms, so that they would never be able to distinguish one person from another ever again. If Chii failed to find the Person just for Her, it stood to reason that other persocoms would suffer the same fate as well. The purpose of this program was to spare the persocoms of the world the pain of unrequited love. In the anime, this program appears to have an alternate effect; if Chii finds the Person just for her, all persocoms would be granted the ability to feel emotion. The reason for this is since Ichiro Mihara was the creator of persocoms, he viewed them all as his children. His wish was that if Chii were able to find someone who loved her in return, all his children would be able to share in this happiness by being able to feel emotions the way humans do."

AND then what Freya says to Hideki before leaving Chii's body:

"Hideki confirms his love for Chi, only to find that Freya has taken control of Chi's body. Freya then explains to Hideki that he can never engage in sexual intercourse with Chii without formatting her systems, erasing everything that makes her a unique individual. Hideki states that he will love Chii regardless of this fact."

It's entirely a test of love. I actually think I remember Hideki's reply from waaaay back when, which was something like: "I don't love her because I want to make love to her. I want to make love to her because I love her." What Hideki means by this is that all he cares about is having Chii close to him. He tells her that true happiness is getting to be around your loved ones. He doesn't need to get down and dirty to feel love for her. So he is agreeing never to touch that place because doing so would reboot her and completely take her away from him. 

It's a really weird and round-about way of going about it, but it's supposed to be Clamp showing a form of "true love." And therefore "father" programmed them that way because he wanted to make sure whomever loved his child TRULY loved them. Also it seems to imply that they where made more for Chitose, than Father. He considers all persocoms his children.

1 hour ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

 

It's a really weird and round-about way of going about it, but it's supposed to be Clamp showing a form of "true love." 

Yeah, I agree this is the interpretation Clamp was aiming for.

On one hand, it is actually sweet--Hideki actually culminates his whole character arc with this, because back at the beginning he was objectifying women as purely a sex goal, and by the end he's willing to give up having sex ever in order to stay with and protect the woman he loves. He actually has a pretty great arc, and when I was a teen I loved it.

As an adult, I can still kind of appreciate it, but at the same time it bugs me, because part of the story was supposed to be about persocoms having emotions and free will. . .but this ending removes all choice from Chii, effectively leaving her own arc unresolved. I wouldn't be half so unsatisfied with that if Chii was confirned to be asexual herself, but neithet the anime nor the manga adress it. What if Chii WANTS to have sex with Hideki, not just for his sake but for her own? Does she have to go downstairs and subject Chitose to a super awkward conversation? Or is she just left in the lurch forever? The lack of closure is especially irritating when you consider how fantastic Hideki's own arc is, which makes Chii's an extra letdown in comparison.

In retrospect part of the appeal of it to me when I was younger was indeed that I'm asexual myself, so that had an extra layer of resonance I didn't understand at the time. It wasn't until later I realized, no one ever asked Chii.

So yeah, there's some great parts to tge story, but it's far from perfect. Go forth. Do your AU Chii. You can give her the choices the canon Chii never got to make.

(For what it's worth, while I don't have as much beef with the original canon behind my own character dolls, they're also pretty AU by now--because they're from different franchises and my ideas for how they interact has changed my perception of what the doll versions are like. It's like. . . in my head they adapted to each other? That might be clear as mud lol)

7 minutes ago, Poofiemus said:

 

(For what it's worth, while I don't have as much beef with the original canon behind my own character dolls, they're also pretty AU by now--because they're from different franchises and my ideas for how they interact has changed my perception of what the doll versions are like. It's like. . . in my head they adapted to each other? That might be clear as mud lol)

Basically they started as canon characters and more or less became OC's because of your development with them, right?

I have characters that are like that. I've made them fully OC at this point, but they started as canon characters I was rping as, and then they took on a life of their own. So I totally get what you mean. 

 

But yeah, you're also totally right about Chii not getting a choice. CLAMP was aiming to talk about women being objectified and then wound up doing just that to their main girl... leaving her as just an object. It's kinda sad, really.

10 hours ago, miraclelovely said:

i was just kind of grossed out by the way that they normalized the relationship between a grown adult and a high schooler. Yumi even asks if it’s okay to be together because she’s so young, and not only is she reaffirmed that it’s okay by one person, but by two.

You definitely don’t want to watch CCS then. They push that boundary pretty hard in CCS to make a point that love is normal no matter who you love. This isn’t intended to be conflated with sex is normal no matter who you do it with i.e. they aren’t trying say sex with kids is ok.

 

4 hours ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

Mini-Moon trying to steal Darian/Maumoru from Serena. She even kissed him. Bleh.) In their culture,

Childish infatuation may be normal, but adults in physical relationships with pre-adolescent kids isn’t ok in Japan. The Lolita / Shota thing is considered gross but not criminal, and sex with children is criminal.

Societies do vary a lot on who is considered a child for purposes of consent, even here in the US there are places like Kansas where a 14 year old can get married.
 

10 hours ago, miraclelovely said:

so why would their “father” put their power buttons there?

Others have answered this pretty well, but I wanted to say that in the anime they probably should have changed that given that the ending didn’t really make use of it. However, it is possible that the ending wasn’t finalized when the first episode aired. I think that happens a lot with anime adaptations. 

 

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Talk about taking all those 70s jokes about Coitus Interruptus to an extreme. XD

 

2 hours ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

I think the biggest problem here for a lot of us is the age-difference, but because we aren't looking at it through the view of how it's seen by that other culture. 

Yumi's 14.... 

According to Wikipedia Yumi is 17, which makes sense, because working at Yorokonde with Hideki is her second job after she left the patissier. You have to have graduated middle school to work in Japan. 

I agree that a teenager dating a grown man is weird. It might be a societal lense thing, but maybe not. Anecdotally, one of my friends in high school developed a crush on her next door neighbor. She was 17, he was I think 30. We thought he was too old; she didn't see the problem because her parents had a more than 10 year age gap and started dating young as well. She married that guy and had kids, and she's still with him more than 10 years later. She's a bit weird, though. I think she's a doula now or something. So that kind of thing can happen anywhere. 🤷‍♀️

Edited September 23, 2020 by Jezrah

9 minutes ago, Jezrah said:

According to Wikipedia Yumi is 17

lolwhoops. I wrote the wrong age. Thanks for finding that. For some reason I thought she was middle school instead of high school. It's been a while since I've seen that series.

2 hours ago, ButtonsMcGee said:

I think the biggest problem here for a lot of us is the age-difference, but because we aren't looking at it through the view of how it's seen by that other culture. 

Yumi's 14.... but so is Serena/Usagi from Sailor Moon. And Serena is dating a college guy too. (Don't even get my started on the whole thing with Mini-Moon trying to steal Darian/Maumoru from Serena. She even kissed him. Bleh.) In their culture, that's normal. To us it's skeevy because our age of consent and viewing someone as an adult is 18. Their age of consent is 13. ;w;

Also in Japan there's this whole thing about "compensated dating" which is basically younger girls having someone more or less like a sugar daddy. There's more to it than that, and I wont go into details here, but that's normal for them. 

But I get it. I honestly feel the same way when I go back and watch things like Black Butler... where the creator was outright shipping Ciel with Sebastian. Like, it was official. Her editors told her not to do it, and she did it anyway. So I'm doing the same thing, where I might not like the specific canon, but I do like the characters. And there's no shame in that. 

TL;DR: Like your favorite characters and don't worry about any of us judging you because the anime might be a little weird. Most of them are. XD

 

Edit: Also felt the need to throw this in here: Please don't think that by me explaining the culture means that I agree with the younger ones being paired with adults. Because I don't. However other cultures are a thing we need to take into consideration when we wonder why things are the way they are. ;w; 

The age of consent is not 13 in Japan. Almost every prefecture has raised it higher. In Tokyo, for example, it's 18. I just hate seeing people spread this misinformation/use it to justify creepy stuff. And all those anime are old. It's okay to look back and acknowledge the they're pretty darn creepy. Things have changed a lot. Nowadays it seems age gaps in anime are rarer which is hopefully sending the right messages to the kids/teens watching 'em. 

And the remaining loophole child marriage laws in the USA are relics and disgust most people, so I really hope lawmakers end those soon. 

13 minutes ago, sweets said:

The age of consent is not 13 in Japan. Almost every prefecture has raised it higher. In Tokyo, for example, it's 18. I just hate seeing people spread this misinformation/use it to justify creepy stuff. And all those anime are old. It's okay to look back and acknowledge the they're pretty darn creepy. Things have changed a lot. Nowadays it seems age gaps in anime are rarer which is hopefully sending the right messages to the kids/teens watching 'em. 

And the remaining loophole child marriage laws in the USA are relics and disgust most people, so I really hope lawmakers end those soon. 

Oh did they change it? It used to be 13.

According to google: "In Japan the age of consent is low at 13, although some municipalities such as Tokyo prohibit sexual activity under 18 years old in most circumstances." As of January of this year.

So we are both correct. 

However I'm not using it to justify things. I am saying that it's weird and that I don't agree with it, but that things are different in other countries and we do have to take that into consideration when we look at those weird things and wonder why they are the way they are. 

As you said, those animes are quite old. I haven't really been watching a lot of the newer stuff, so I can't really say whether they've gotten better or not. I hope they have. There's already too much weird stuff out there in the world. We don't need any more. ;w; 

1 hour ago, sweets said:

And the remaining loophole child marriage laws in the USA are relics and disgust most people, so I really hope lawmakers end those soon. 

I wasn’t suggesting that it was ok, only that societies differ on the subject of when someone is old enough to make certain decisions, and that we can’t actually pass judgement when places within our own society allow a 14 year old to marry.