SQ Doll & Dollfie Dream Hybrid Tones

I was curious if anyone knew how exactly the SQ-Labs resin colors matched the Dollfie Dream vinyl colors? Like is DD-White from SQ-Labs DD's Semi White? Which one would be flesh? I want to make sure I order the parts correctly so the tones don't look lighter or darker than one another. I tried to do the best research I could, but I only saw things being mentioned as "real skin white" from almost a decade ago. I just want to make sure with time passing if colors are accurate. Thank you!

Edit: I realized this was posted in SmD section and not DD, sorry for the confusion! (Wrong tab post!)

Edited March 26, 2021 by Rilenan

I believe the SQ Lab heads were made to match Normal (old name for Flesh) and White DD skintones, as well as a couple of Volks resin skin tones. I don't think SWS existed yet when SQ Labs was active. It's less clear for the heads/bodies being sold by Sadol, but I'd assume their color listing 'Normal' would match the current DD Flesh.

Years ago when SQ Lab was producing dolls themselves, they had DD normal and DD white, plus SD pureskin normal and SD pureskin white or whatever the exact names are. The former two were to match DD bodies and the latter two were to match Volks' resin SD bodies.

Now that Sadol is producing the product, they only have the two colors. I recently ordered Chibi Hibiki in normal, and I think they're either using the SD pureskin normal, or maybe just the color that their company calls normal. Either way, it's not an exact match to a DD. My Hibiki is not super far off from DD normal, but is definitely a bit more on the yellow side. I don't have an SD to compare it to.

Actually the bigger heads are offered in 3 resin colors, and the body is offered in 4 colors! I'm pretty sure if you ask, they'll actually make any head/body/part in any of the four colors.

There 4 Sadol colors are:

- Normal (this is a match to Obitsu Whitey)

- White (no idea what this matches)

- DD-W (matches Dollfie Dream White)

- DD-NORMAL (matches Dollfie Dream Normal/Flesh/Fresh)

It's definitely worth using their Contact Us. They've been very good at reply to my questions in a timely manner! I recently ordered a Tsubaki head and asked for one of her alternate face-ups (not the default) and they were happy to oblige.

8 hours ago, jadepixel said:

I believe the SQ Lab heads were made to match Normal (old name for Flesh) and White DD skintones, as well as a couple of Volks resin skin tones. I don't think SWS existed yet when SQ Labs was active. It's less clear for the heads/bodies being sold by Sadol, but I'd assume their color listing 'Normal' would match the current DD Flesh.

Ah, alright! I recently spotted an SQ Lab head somewhere being sold as DD-White but I wasn't sure if it'd go well with Semi-White? I've seen more semi-white second hand bodies for DDdy lately, is why I am curious. But that makes sense with the name change, thank you.

 

 

2 hours ago, Jezrah said:

Years ago when SQ Lab was producing dolls themselves, they had DD normal and DD white, plus SD pureskin normal and SD pureskin white or whatever the exact names are. The former two were to match DD bodies and the latter two were to match Volks' resin SD bodies.

Now that Sadol is producing the product, they only have the two colors. I recently ordered Chibi Hibiki in normal, and I think they're either using the SD pureskin normal, or maybe just the color that their company calls normal. Either way, it's not an exact match to a DD. My Hibiki is not super far off from DD normal, but is definitely a bit more on the yellow side. I don't have an SD to compare it to.

Interesting. Sorry if I use shortenings wrong, I'm used to the resin community. But I was hoping to get a Moe head in SD size, and it oddly has Normal, White, and DD-White options, so I've been wondering if it's a pure white or a light skin tone white like semi-white is. I've read somewhere that DD's are considered to have a beige-undertone, and didn't know if that applied to SQ-Lab's DD-White or not.  I assume the normal skin match isn't too bad if there's a face up though? 

 

 

45 minutes ago, Cauldroness said:

Actually the bigger heads are offered in 3 resin colors, and the body is offered in 4 colors! I'm pretty sure if you ask, they'll actually make any head/body/part in any of the four colors.

There 4 Sadol colors are:

- Normal (this is a match to Obitsu Whitey)

- White (no idea what this matches)

- DD-W (matches Dollfie Dream White)

- DD-NORMAL (matches Dollfie Dream Normal/Flesh/Fresh)

It's definitely worth using their Contact Us. They've been very good at reply to my questions in a timely manner! I recently ordered a Tsubaki head and asked for one of her alternate face-ups (not the default) and they were happy to oblige.

And that's very comfortable to know. I assume the base white color is probably (well currently) to match Sadol's white bodies, or other companies since white tones tend to be able to work well together if they're both creamy or both paper white. 
I've been tempted to contact them about this as well, but knowing they're able to do different faceups and etc. is very nice! 
If you don't mind me asking, what alternative face-ups did you find that the company was willing to do? 😄

 

57 minutes ago, Rilenan said:

Ah, alright! I recently spotted an SQ Lab head somewhere being sold as DD-White but I wasn't sure if it'd go well with Semi-White?

DD White probably won’t be a good match for SWS. SWS is a beautiful color, but if your heart is set on an SQ labs head you might want to consider DD-Normal. 

Since they're resin heads, you could blush a Sadol White head to match DD SWS if you were really ambitious.

One thing to note is the SQ Labs heads are quite small? I actually think they look too small and somewhat pinheaded on DD, DDS or DDdy; I prefer them on the Obitsu 50cm, DDP or MDD bodies.

@Rilenan - If you look at the SQ Labs heads on Sadol, you'll see each is shown with multiple face-ups. One of the face-ups is marked as the "Default," but you can request any of the other shown face-ups. I got my Tsubaki with the third face-up shown (shown with a blonde wig / green eyes combo).

2 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

DD White probably won’t be a good match for SWS. SWS is a beautiful color, but if your heart is set on an SQ labs head you might want to consider DD-Normal. 

Awh alright. I was originally looking at normal/flesh color, but a dd-white head came up. Don't know if it having a default face up which has blushing might make it more reasonable but, I'm not holding my breath.
 

 

1 hour ago, Cauldroness said:

Since they're resin heads, you could blush a Sadol White head to match DD SWS if you were really ambitious.

One thing to note is the SQ Labs heads are quite small? I actually think they look too small and somewhat pinheaded on DD, DDS or DDdy; I prefer them on the Obitsu 50cm, DDP or MDD bodies.

@Rilenan - If you look at the SQ Labs heads on Sadol, you'll see each is shown with multiple face-ups. One of the face-ups is marked as the "Default," but you can request any of the other shown face-ups. I got my Tsubaki with the third face-up shown (shown with a blonde wig / green eyes combo).

Yeah, I was thinking about the blushing thing earlier, but it's upsetting since I like a lot of the default face ups as they are.

And is that so? I thought SQ heads were 8-9 along with most DD heads, so that's interesting. Luckily I plan on getting a smaller bust for a DDdy, if I get one, in the future. So hopefully that'll work out? I like the DDP body, but the mature DDdy torso is what interests me the most due to a character idea I have.

And with the multiple face up thing, it doesn't seem like the Moe one has that. Oh well! No worries though. Thank you though! I likely might get another one 😄

Moe actually does have different face-ups. There's her default (blue hair + red eyes). The brunette version on the sales page is a different face-up with what I'd call angry eyebrows. So just two versions -- not as many as Tsubaki, sadly -- but at least one other option.

I would do some image searches of an SQ Labs head on a DDdy body to make sure you're OK with the scale. Personally it doesn't work for me, regardless of the bust size -- the head is just too small for such a long/thick neck to work for my personal preferences.

Here you can see an DD head vs. an SQ Labs head -- definitely a size difference! https://www.flickr.com/photos/cowpewter/8475353162

 

Here's a couple more images (may count as NSFW!!):

https://flic.kr/p/qHdTeN

https://puppy52dolls.com/dollfie-dream/new-doll/comment-page-1/

If you still want a very mature body, the Azone line (AZO2 C-bust, G-bust and I-bust) have a very similar look to a DDdy at a smaller 50cm height, and then of course there's all things Angel Philia which can provide a very, very mature look!

 

1 hour ago, Rilenan said:

Yeah, I was thinking about the blushing thing earlier, but it's upsetting since I like a lot of the default face ups as they are.

There are some really talented face up artists here on the forum. That could solve the issue of blushing the head, and you could get a face up that is as good or better than a default. If you go that route I would talk things through with the artist before buying the head. 

15 hours ago, Jezrah said:

Years ago when SQ Lab was producing dolls themselves, they had DD normal and DD white, plus SD pureskin normal and SD pureskin white or whatever the exact names are. The former two were to match DD bodies and the latter two were to match Volks' resin SD bodies.

Now that Sadol is producing the product, they only have the two colors.
--I think they're either using the SD pureskin normal, or maybe just the color that their company calls normal. Either way, it's not an exact match to a DD. My Hibiki is not super far off from DD normal, but is definitely a bit more on the yellow side. I don't have an SD to compare it to.

And from what I can see colorwise, it looks like it is SD normal that is offered, and not DD Normal. I just noticed that they DO offer DD normal/flesh for bodies, currently. So Normal is SD normal then.

I can offer some pics from 2014: (which has Ryoko in SD Normal)


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Edited March 27, 2021 by Yumeiro

I recently got a hibiki from Sadol and can confirm the 'white' color is paperwhite.

17 hours ago, Cauldroness said:

Moe actually does have different face-ups. There's her default (blue hair + red eyes). The brunette version on the sales page is a different face-up with what I'd call angry eyebrows. So just two versions -- not as many as Tsubaki, sadly -- but at least one other option.

I would do some image searches of an SQ Labs head on a DDdy body to make sure you're OK with the scale. Personally it doesn't work for me, regardless of the bust size -- the head is just too small for such a long/thick neck to work for my personal preferences.

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Ah man, I'm so poor at recognizing eyebrows (even in real life sometimes.) Thank you for pointing it out. I think the angry eyebrows are a bit cuter looking at it a bit more. 

And looking at those images, it's a little heartbreaking that they're a bit smaller, but I think with what I want to do it'll be okay as she'd be wearing either fluffy outfits, or military-esque outfits where larger shoulder proportion hopefully won't cause a problem, and parts of the outfits can help "fill" the neck area to feel more proper in an odd way. I assume though that I should definitely not get large hands for the DD body though, as it would likely make the proportion problem worse.

I've had a lot of problems trying to look for azone bodies on my own, would there be a part of the forum for me to try and find azone supplying stores/sites? I think Angel Philia is a possible option, but I've never seen the bodies on their own for sale- only parts. Would I have to get a frame or something for them? 
And then would Obitsu/Parabox be an option as well? Or is that a very hard goal since they discontinued their 50cm+ lines (outside of the 1/2 scale ones)? I like obitsu's pose abilities but I want a more defined physique, but I know people have definitely customized them to do so.

 

17 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

There are some really talented face up artists here on the forum. That could solve the issue of blushing the head, and you could get a face up that is as good or better than a default. If you go that route I would talk things through with the artist before buying the head. 

Sadly the head that I'm looking at that's second hand is a discontinued SQ-Labs head, I think. I've only been in contact with the seller over it, nothing has been confirmed for the sale though as there's a person interested in it that came before me. If she is truly DD-White, I might just hunt down a body that fits her then, instead of the other way around. DD's Semi-white and flesh are very pretty in tone, but if I have to get pure white... it's not the best but I will still be happy. I've been busy all day but I'm definitely going to look at the face up artists here on the forum- it's been difficult for me to try and find an artist willing to work on stylistic heads that isn't booked for the whole year!
 

10 hours ago, Yumeiro said:

And from what I can see colorwise, it looks like it is SD normal that is offered, and not DD Normal. I just noticed that they DO offer DD normal/flesh for bodies, currently. So Normal is SD normal then.

I can offer some pics from 2014: (which has Ryoko in SD Normal)
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That's a very nice comparison for the SD normal and the semi white for DD, thank you. 

 

4 hours ago, Cydril said:

I recently got a hibiki from Sadol and can confirm the 'white' color is paperwhite.

And is that from DD-White or the default White option? Sorry, I just want to make sure entirely.

54 minutes ago, Rilenan said:

If she is truly DD-White, I might just hunt down a body that fits her then, instead of the other way around. DD's Semi-white and flesh are very pretty in tone, but if I have to get pure white... it's not the best but I will still be happy.

DD White had a pretty bad issue with yellowing, which is why it ended up being discontinued. 

22 minutes ago, BeyondTime said:

DD White had a pretty bad issue with yellowing, which is why it ended up being discontinued. 

Oh dear, well then... now I'm conflicted, cause I just realized I've only seen white parts, not full white bodies as I look about the market now. 

@Rilenan , my friend, you definitely need to send a message over to Sadol. They posted somewhere on their Twitter that they actually have more SQ Labs head molds than they've so far posted, and if you're looking for a certain head, just let them know which one and they may still be able to make you a new one (in whatever color you want).

Also, FYI: white resin is also notorious for yellowing very badly, especially older white resin. I don't know how well SQ Labs holds up over time, but there are several companies who are infamous for how terribly their white resin yellows. NS resin is usually more stable over time (it yellows, too, but usually not as noticeably). If you're looking at an older SQ Labs head in white resin, you may want to be sure to ask about how much it's yellowed over time.

Azone bodies aren't sold independently, but if you're willing to shop on Mandarake / Dollyteria / Yahoo!Japan, you can often find full Azone dolls *at less than retail prices.* They're going to match the "Obitsu Whitey" color (which matches Sadol Normal). Heads aren't always easy to sell, but outfits are.

Angel Philia bodies are sold separately, but it's rare (you can find them on both FaithZ and Mandarake), although it's often cheaper to just buy the full doll and sell the head.

Obitsu & Parabox are definitely options as well -- Obitsu actually manufacturers Azone, Angel Philia, Parabox & a few other brands, so they're all the same inner skeleton with different outer vinyl shells. It's actually the 60cm that was discontinued, not the 50cm -- the 50cm size is still being actively produced & sold.

I can confirm the Sadol Normal is a good match for Obitsu, since I just got my new Tsubaki head from them and she looks great on an Obitsu 50cm body.

4 hours ago, Cauldroness said:

I can confirm the Sadol Normal is a good match for Obitsu, since I just got my new Tsubaki head from them and she looks great on an Obitsu 50cm body.

Thank you, this is so good to know!  I've wanted a Tsubaki for years, but wasn't sure which body I wanted her on.  This will be a perfect body and now I have plans! ^_^

@Rilenan the default white

Thank you all!
@Cauldroness , I think after all I've learned here I will be going with a DD head, and then contact Sadol, and weigh my options after messaging them! I think a DD head might work better for my goals with a DDdy, considering the maturity part. But I think in the future I will get a DDP just for a SQ-Lab head, maybe a sister of sorts? 😄

This thread was a great help with my doll goals, and I think I'm on a better path of understanding!