Replacement Shoulder Joints for Older 60cm Body

Hi all~

I recently acquired a DD head on an Obitsu body. The head has been modded to fit the body, and I like the body...but, both arms broke upon taking her out of her box. It's an older body, a 60BD-F03W-G. So my question is, can I get replacement parts? And if I can't will DD arms or Obitsu 50cm arms fit? Smart Doll arms fit but I haven't been able to find any.

Thank you in advance for any help!

According to this old thread DD2 arms fit in the 60cm body: 

I couldn't find anything about the newer frame's arms though. That said, according to this thread, baldylox said the DD2 and DD3's shoulder pegs have the same thickness, the shorter peg might work better as well: 

I don't think the f-3 arm would work well since it isn't a full circle. It falls out if I try to attach it to the DD3 frame, I imagine it would on an Obitsu60 as well.

 

 

 

 

The O60 and its replacement parts have been out of production for some time now. You could try searching for the part # (60RP-F01WP-32), which may still be available on a JP store and orderable via a proxy.

1999 / Hobby Search is sold out, but you can peek at the parts page for this in any case to confirm that it's the shoulder ball joint that you're after.

The seller should not have shipped the body with the arms attached. It's much more prone to damage this way. Even so, joints will decay and weaken over time in storage.

Edited April 6, 2022 by chef_mai

22 hours ago, hellFlower said:

According to this old thread DD2 arms fit in the 60cm body: 

I couldn't find anything about the newer frame's arms though. That said, according to this thread, baldylox said the DD2 and DD3's shoulder pegs have the same thickness, the shorter peg might work better as well: 

I don't think the f-3 arm would work well since it isn't a full circle. It falls out if I try to attach it to the DD3 frame, I imagine it would on an Obitsu60 as well.

 

 

 

 

Thanks so much for this, I tried to search but it came up with nothing...I must not have searched the right thing. So to clarify, sorry I'm new to vinyl dolls, DD2/DD3 arms will work but F-3 arms will not?

21 hours ago, chef_mai said:

The O60 and its replacement parts have been out of production for some time now. You could try searching for the part # (60RP-F01WP-32), which may still be available on a JP store and orderable via a proxy.

1999 / Hobby Search is sold out, but you can peek at the parts page for this in any case to confirm that it's the shoulder ball joint that you're after.

The seller should not have shipped the body with the arms attached. It's much more prone to damage this way. Even so, joints will decay and weaken over time in storage.

I am finding that the 60cm body has been discontinued? That's a shame because the torso is nice, I would have liked to see better limbs, but alas...

Thanks! I found them on hobby search, but they're out of stock as you said. I found them on another site but the site doesn't seem to work so I'm not sure if it's even legit.

I have told the seller this. I am new to vinyl dolls and my only other doll is a Smart Doll so I did not know this. Do they decay just in general over time or only in storage? What I mean by that is will it do the same with play?

Edited April 7, 2022 by Rigby
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I can't speak for the difference between how the doll as a whole decays over time vs. in storage, but in a closed environment, the vinyl releases gases, and without somewhere for that to escape, it can cause the vinyl itself to degrade quicker than in a properly ventilated environment. But that's irrelevant to the integrity of joints which are made of plastic.

What I do know is:

• Mandarake and other stores ship their dolls with the arms off as policy to prevent the chest frame and shoulders from cracking. That all said, I wouldn't be too hard on the seller over this, just live and learn for the future. 
• The weaker internal parts on second hand dolls, even lightly used ones, will need replacement sooner than on a brand new doll. Whether this is due to age alone, the shipping process or what the prior owner did, I don't know, but both my "unused" condition Azone dolls have needed multiple parts replacements within a few months. The replacement parts are still holding up well.

10 minutes ago, chef_mai said:

I can't speak for the difference between how the doll as a whole decays over time vs. in storage, but in a closed environment, the vinyl releases gases, and without somewhere for that to escape, it can cause the vinyl itself to degrade quicker than in a properly ventilated environment. But that's irrelevant to the integrity of joints which are made of plastic.

What I do know is:

• Mandarake and other stores ship their dolls with the arms off as policy to prevent the chest frame and shoulders from cracking. That all said, I wouldn't be too hard on the seller over this, just live and learn for the future. 
• The weaker internal parts on second hand dolls, even lightly used ones, will need replacement sooner than on a brand new doll. Whether this is due to age alone, the shipping process or what the prior owner did, I don't know, but both my "unused" condition Azone dolls have needed multiple parts replacements within a few months. The replacement parts are still holding up well.

I haven't been hard on the seller, and have no plans to be, I just let them know that it's a practice used to ship the arms off for next time so they're aware. It's definitely a learning experience and the seller is more upset than I am honestly. I'm in the process of trying to fix the arms, but one is being stubborn so my doll may end up being an amputee (at least until I can get new arms as I'm having trouble finding them).

I appreciate the information, I'm just trying to take in and learn as much as possible honestly. I was not aware vinyl releases gases so it's good to know. I'm a resin collector for over ten years and have just gotten into vinyl so it's a whole new world.

No problem! 60cm is a discontinued size, so it's got a bit of a learning curve to work around the lack of available parts. There's a vendor out there who's been working on replicating a 60cm body using the 50cm frame. They're also the only vendor I know of that still stocks the 60cm Obitsu and some variations using their own aftermarket skin parts.

To answer a question from earlier, 50cm arms won't fit into a 60cm body because the 60cm upper torso is too broad, so the shoulders won't seat deeply enough into the pegs. 

Out of curiosity, what does the broken joint look like right now? Perhaps a band-aid solution could work in the interim.

16 minutes ago, chef_mai said:

No problem! 60cm is a discontinued size, so it's got a bit of a learning curve to work around the lack of available parts. There's a vendor out there who's been working on replicating a 60cm body using the 50cm frame. They're also the only vendor I know of that still stocks the 60cm Obitsu and some variations using their own aftermarket skin parts.

To answer a question from earlier, 50cm arms won't fit into a 60cm body because the 60cm upper torso is too broad, so the shoulders won't seat deeply enough into the pegs. 

Out of curiosity, what does the broken joint look like right now? Perhaps a band-aid solution could work in the interim.

Yeah, I messaged Parabox and they got back to me about 50cm not fitting 60cm. I read somewhere 55cm fits 60cm but I can't find 55cm either. 

This is what Sachi looks like right now. One arm is so far holding up but the other didn't. We'll try again until I can find better replacements probably.

 

This is how we went about fixing them, or trying anyway. Used a dremel to drill holes and insert wire with glue to keep the wires stable. No functionality was lost in this process. 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Rigby
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On 4/8/2022 at 2:17 AM, Rigby said:

So to clarify, sorry I'm new to vinyl dolls, DD2/DD3 arms will work but F-3 arms will not?

Yeah, that's my understanding.

That said, I've done a bit of looking around and I might have found a different solution; swapping out the 60cm chest piece for the 50cm one. I found a Japanese blog post of someone doing just this: https://ameblo.jp/lchira/entry-12715669710.html

In your case however you would need the entire 50cm arm since you don't have the ball style elbow joint.

Thought this might be worth mentioning since the DD arms were discontinued a while ago and aren't in stock anymore.

Since that blog post mentions the fit being a bit snug, nabbing an (Azone) AZO2 chest piece with its slightly wider opening might make the trimming unnecessary and the fit a little bit more comfortable. It may also replicate the 60cm's aesthetics a little better too.

@chef_mai I believe the tightness is just referencing the fit of the 50cm chest piece on the 60cm lower torso, unless I'm misreading. The original 60cm chest piece should fit, especially looking at other people that have used the 50cm spine piece in their Obitsu 60s. I believe the the OP just swapped them because they didn't like how wide the 60cm shoulders looked.