Base Body 2.0 Head/Neck Gap

Has anyone else gotten a dollfie dream with the 2.0 base body and noticed a large gap between the bottom of the head and the top of the neck?  I tried putting a DDH-09 head on the base body 2.0 and it technically fits/looks ok from most angles, but I feel like there is an obviously large gap from other angles that is somewhat disappointing. 

I am wondering if newer head sculpts or character sculpts like Aqua have this issue at all, or if I'm potentially doing something wrong (I don't think it would be easy for me to mess up the head/neck, but you never know).

Can you post pics of what you mean?

I have a DDH-10 on the 2.0 but don't think I've noticed gapping? Though I may not have been looking hard enough lol

While I don't own a DD 2.0 body (yet?), from what I have seen, the neck of the 2.0 busts appears to have a smaller diameter.

With the 09 designed to fit the older thicker necks, their neck hole should be wider. - Is that the gap you're talking about?

If so, you can probably just switch to an older DD-f3 bust.

I don't think the old bust is compatible with the 2.0 frame, sadly.

This might explain why they discontinued all those heads in Dream Choice—they won’t fit right on the new body/busts… 🤔 

16 minutes ago, RozenGermain said:

I don't think the old bust is compatible with the 2.0 frame, sadly.

iIrc, the info in Volks News stated that old f3 busts will still fit, but may impact poseability. I'll re-confirm that once I'm back home.

Also, isn't the point of 2.0 that they re-designed the vinyl shell to get the most out of the existing f3 frame design? I don't think the frame itself got changed significantly.

 

14 minutes ago, ragnamuffin said:

This might explain why they discontinued all those heads in Dream Choice—they won’t fit right on the new body/busts… 🤔 

Possible, but even on the f3 there was quite the variance in neck thickness and not all combinations would look good. Didn't prevent them from offering the heads back then. Also, this wouldn't apply to the DC-H-10, as it's more intended for MDD/DDP.

6 minutes ago, Tierparkzone said:

iIrc, the info in Volks News stated that old f3 busts will still fit, but may impact poseability. I'll re-confirm that once I'm back home.

 

Pretty sure there is an existing mod for the neck that would address the missing slot for expanded neck poses on the earlier f3. 
 

 

1 hour ago, ohnoaiwa said:

Can you post pics of what you mean?

I have a DDH-10 on the 2.0 but don't think I've noticed gapping? Though I may not have been looking hard enough lol

Sorry these aren't the best pictures but hopefully everyone can get an idea of what I am referring to! I believe the issue is what Tierparkzone mentioned - the neck is thinner than the old bodies, so there is a gap between the head's hole and the neck.

48 minutes ago, Tierparkzone said:

With the 09 designed to fit the older thicker necks, their neck hole should be wider. - Is that the gap you're talking about?

 

DDH-09 head on new 2.0 body:

 

DDH-09 head on DD Base Body (DD-f3) - I suppose the head still isn't *completely* flush to the body, but it definitely seems a lot closer:

 

28 minutes ago, ragnamuffin said:

This might explain why they discontinued all those heads in Dream Choice—they won’t fit right on the new body/busts… 🤔 

I guess the head still technically fits, it just looks a little funny to me. I hope the new heads fit better if this is the case 😕

13 minutes ago, Tierparkzone said:

Possible, but even on the f3 there was quite the variance in neck thickness and not all combinations would look good. Didn't prevent them from offering the heads back then. Also, this wouldn't apply to the DC-H-10, as it's more intended for MDD/DDP.

I never considered that before, but that actually makes a lot of sense why some combinations looked strange!

 

4 minutes ago, BeyondTime said:

Pretty sure there is an existing mod for the neck that would address the missing slot for expanded neck poses on the earlier f3. 
 

 

Interesting! I will look into this if it does end up bothering me too much ^^;

 

I should mention that from most angles this isn't really an issue/very noticeable at all, but I guess it was enough of a difference from the DD-f3 body that it looked like something was "off" to me, almost as if if the head were not completely attached or something.

2 minutes ago, kurimu said:

Interesting! I will look into this if it does end up bothering me too much ^^;

@finnleo mentioned that mod in his comments on his Aqua on Flickr, but he left the forum, so if you wanted details you'd need to ask on Flickr.

41 minutes ago, Tierparkzone said:

Possible, but even on the f3 there was quite the variance in neck thickness and not all combinations would look good. Didn't prevent them from offering the heads back then. Also, this wouldn't apply to the DC-H-10, as it's more intended for MDD/DDP.

I’m not saying it’s the only reason they discontinued those heads, I’m saying it was probably a factor that played into their decision to do so. Most of the discontinued heads (with the exception of the DC-H-10) were meant to be used with DD/DDS/DDdy bodies, while most of the remaining ones are smaller heads meant to be used with the MDD body. And, as already mentioned, the new shells have to accommodate the extended motion of the 2.0 neck.

Oh wow, that's a pretty significant reduction in the neck width. I'm hoping that maybe it's possible in the future to slip a 2.0 bust onto a 1.0 F3 body.

9 hours ago, Tierparkzone said:

iIrc, the info in Volks News stated that old f3 busts will still fit, but may impact poseability. I'll re-confirm that once I'm back home.

I went through the most recent Volks News volumes and couldn't find any mention regarding f3 and 2.0 bust compatibility... Neither for DD nor for MDD.

I wonder where I picked up on the idea then. I might have asked about MDD bust compatibility at doll point when I bought an MDD 2.0 body there? I can definitely try and ask about it again once I'm there the next time.

7 hours ago, chef_mai said:

Oh wow, that's a pretty significant reduction in the neck width. I'm hoping that maybe it's possible in the future to slip a 2.0 bust onto a 1.0 F3 body.

 

1 hour ago, Tierparkzone said:

I went through the most recent Volks News volumes and couldn't find any mention regarding f3 and 2.0 bust compatibility... Neither for DD nor for MDD.

 

 

I have a 2.0 bust arriving today and I can play around with swapping some busts around to see if a 2.0 bust works on f3 1.0, and if a 1.0 compatible bust works on f3 2.0. 
 

I was planning on trying a smaller bust on Aqua so she's getting disassembled today anyways. 

14 hours ago, Tierparkzone said:

I went through the most recent Volks News volumes and couldn't find any mention regarding f3 and 2.0 bust compatibility... Neither for DD nor for MDD.

 

20 hours ago, chef_mai said:

Oh wow, that's a pretty significant reduction in the neck width. I'm hoping that maybe it's possible in the future to slip a 2.0 bust onto a 1.0 F3 body.

2.0 bust will work on f3, but with a slight waist gap. The f3 bust will not work on 2.0, because the 2.0 waist is wider and the bust will not slip all the way on.

The 2.0 bust itself is wider and consequentially the boobs are a bit bigger overall. There is more consistency between shape too. I should have ordered an SS bust, because I really want to see one now.

 

 

9 minutes ago, BeyondTime said:

 

2.0 bust will work on f3, but with a slight waist gap. The f3 bust will not work on 2.0, because the 2.0 waist is wider and the bust will not slip all the way on.

The 2.0 bust itself is wider and consequentially the boobs are a bit bigger overall. There is more consistency between shape too. I should have ordered an SS bust, because I really want to see one now.

 

 

Thanks for the update! I think that's convinced me to give it a try once they release DDS 2.0. A little waist gapping is much better than the neck being wider than I'd like and not having too many options to correct it.

If I may ask for a pic, could you take a picture with the two busts (1.0 f3 vs 2.0 f3) side by side?

30 minutes ago, chef_mai said:

If I may ask for a pic, could you take a picture with the two busts (1.0 f3 vs 2.0 f3) side by side?

I can do that, but it may be a few days. I'm getting some of my dolls ready for the Dolpa, so I haven't been doing photos and I put all the gear away.

I took a caliper to the f3 and the 2.0 necks: 

f3 bust neck: 1.04

f3 2.0 bust neck: .93

About a 10% reduction if the same applies to DDS... that would theoretically reduce the neck down to AZO2 / Obitsu levels. Perfect!

2 hours ago, chef_mai said:

About a 10% reduction if the same applies to DDS... that would theoretically reduce the neck down to AZO2 / Obitsu levels. Perfect!

DDS f3 was .91.

Sorry to hijack the thread. But has there been any in-depth 2.0 vs original f3 comparisons yet? seeing this difference makes me very curious.

48 minutes ago, luna_Lillie said:

Sorry to hijack the thread. But has there been any in-depth 2.0 vs original f3 comparisons yet? seeing this difference makes me very curious.

@jadepixel did an MDD one on her blog. 

So does the lack of nipples on the 2.0 bodies mean that Volks winter clothing sets will now come with something other than miniskirts as they won't look so cold anymore?

3 minutes ago, scripple said:

So does the lack of nipples on the 2.0 bodies mean that Volks winter clothing sets will now come with something other than miniskirts as they won't look so cold anymore?

The nipples are less pronounced on all the busts, but there is still a bit of a bump.

it seems to me like they thickened the torso and upped the bust sizes a bit so outfits are a bit more compatible with SD, and the s-bust won't be as baggy on SS/S/M sized outfits. M might even fit M/L outfits a bit better. 

16 minutes ago, BeyondTime said:

The nipples are less pronounced on all the busts, but there is still a bit of a bump.

it seems to me like they thickened the torso and upped the bust sizes a bit so outfits are a bit more compatible with SD, and the s-bust won't be as baggy on SS/S/M sized outfits. M might even fit M/L outfits a bit better. 

I've only got an MDD 2.0 and the nipple is effectively gone.  There's a hint of a peak where it should be, maybe, but nah it's gone.

I think it's sad they're ditching 20 years or so of fit at both neck and bust with the new bodies, and as I've mentioned before still not fixing the stupid single jointed knees.  Volks is truly confusing quite often.

10 hours ago, BeyondTime said:

DDS f3 was .91.

My hope is that it gets a proportionate reduction down to around 0.8. That's what the Obitsu/Azone neck width is.

Some of the DDS necks taper in the middle close to 0.8, but what I'm hoping is that the *top* diameter is also thinner, so it fits Mai's head better. Right now, even if I trimmed the neck, it wouldn't help since the slim portion is too far down.

 

FWIW, some JP dealers have stated that their MDD clothes aren't compatible with 2.0, so it must be just enough of a difference to tip it over the edge. It seems to be the lower torso that's broken compatibility.

On 8/28/2024 at 8:04 PM, BeyondTime said:

2.0 bust will work on f3, but with a slight waist gap. The f3 bust will not work on 2.0, because the 2.0 waist is wider and the bust will not slip all the way on.

I just received a DD 2.0 and a DD3/F3 S bust from Volks JP.  I had no issue putting the old model S bust on the new 2.0 body.  Yes the new 2.0 lower body is a tiny bit thicker but it is such a small difference the old bust went on with no problem.  In fact I had to pull it back up after putting it on to get the arm holes at the right height.

If I hadn't read BeyondTime's post that the DD3/F3 bust didn't fit on the 2.0 body I'm honestly not sure I would have even noticed the lower bodies were different circumferences. 

So apparently there's some batch to batch variation.

The neck width is definitely noticeably different though.  A few DD heads I tried on the new body with the new bust looked pretty awkward.  A DDH-10 I have sitting here fit ok on the new neck but very poorly on the old.  My Ilya V1 head won't fit at all on the old neck but will just barely fit on the new, but still looks pretty bad.

I also got an SW MDD 2.0 in the order, and it does look to my lousy eyes the not really nipple buds are slightly more pronounced on the DD 2.0 compared to the MDD 2.0.  But that's also S bust on MDD  and M bust on the DD, the only sizes I've seen in person.

Edited September 7 by scripple