Fake Dollfie Dreams?!

I thought this announcement might be related to bootleg Volks outfits, but there are still lots of them for sale at Alice's Collection. I don't think Volks can do much about China-based retailers.

Huh? ._.;; What's that about Alice's Collections?

I thought this announcement might be related to bootleg Volks outfits, but there are still lots of them for sale at Alice's Collection. I don't think Volks can do much about China-based retailers.

 

There are a lot of them that pop up on eBay as well. I purposely avoid Alice's Collection cause of that fact. Don't support the bootleggers, even if they are just outfits. I think that can be said about any company dealing with someone making bootlegs of their products.

 

I'm actually curious about why they can't legally go after recasters. I assume there is some sort of copyright on all their dolls. I mean, Volks has copyrighted their resin recipe, so I assume each and every mold would have been copyrighted. (I'm pretty sure they say they are too) Also, in the case of Dollfie Dreams there is a character copyright too. They allow Volks to deal it after going over an extensive agreement, but a recaster would just do it. I'm just curious as why legal action CAN'T or simply won't be taken. But I guess then if it could be GSC (For an example of a big company) would have gotten a hold of every single company making fake nendos, and PVC figures. And though a different area, I wonder then why the ABJD Korean companies can't take action as well...I dunno, just seems like if you have copyrighted products being recreated and sold, you should be able to do something?

 

I mean Taobao alone has so many recasts it isn't funny, and there are sites like BJD Baby that recasts everything from Volks, to Soom, to Pipos. They even do basics, which just seems funny to me.

The laws in China are quite different than in other countries. I can't explain it in perfectly perfect english, but to sum it up, people outside of China can't sue someone who is in.

 

I've also heard that it would be way more expensive than letting the people who buy them just...buy them. I guess in the case of FL and Soom (who are the main victims), it could prove useful, but I don't think people would go order from the company afterwards either...

The laws in China are quite different than in other countries. I can't explain it in perfectly perfect english, but to sum it up, people outside of China can't sue someone who is in.

 

I've also heard that it would be way more expensive than letting the people who buy them just...buy them. I guess in the case of FL and Soom (who are the main victims), it could prove useful, but I don't think people would go order from the company afterwards either...

 

Ah, that is enough to make sense. International cases can get really iffy, and no surprise that of course there would have to be some weird little loophole where the recasters are forever safe as long as they stay in China. :/

 

Well, Soom had a whole issue when they started outsourcing to China for their dolls, because they were simply getting too many orders to handle on their own. They had folks selling official ones behind their backs as well as casting their own in the official molds...it was really bad for them. I don't know too much about FL's case beyond that there are just an unholy amount of them out there. Iplehouse swapped their own CDS and created it so you could get what were supposed to be LE dolls because people had turned to recasts. I think they still have a thing up begging people not to buy recasts. It is really unfortunately, and I'm happy to keep DD off the lists of things that may get destroyed in the process of recreating a mold to use for recasts.

Well, remember, there are plenty of bootleggers duplicating PVC anime figures, so I wouldn't rule it out completely.

 

I saw only resin recasts of figures, not actual PVC ones.

But even then, figures are much smaller, and not empty inside like all DD parts. They're cast similar to resin, just poured to mould and leaved to cool. No need to have the hot oil bath, and the mould You can then open because in most cases it's made from two or more parts (it lefts seam lines, unlike on DD parts).

If You see DC videos, Mirai's (and other DD-like) parts need to be left in the bath for exact amount of time and then pulled out from the mould by force. This is not an easy technique by any means.

I thought this announcement might be related to bootleg Volks outfits, but there are still lots of them for sale at Alice's Collection. I don't think Volks can do much about China-based retailers.

Huh? ._.;; What's that about Alice's Collections?

 

Compare these:

Cafe Mocha Maid (Volks)

To

Alice's Collections G182

 

Asterisk Sailor Corset Set

To

Alice's Collections G170

 

There was also a very obvious copy of the Asterisk Marine Blouse Set on Alice's Collections but I can't find it now. I believe it was G171 which is no longer listed on their website. I almost bought it before I saw the Volks version.

Those are some of the outfits I was thinking of! It's really obvious since the copy came out a couple months after Volks released theirs...

Although apparently copying in human fashion is totally legal, so that you can't copyright a green t-shirt for example. As long as AC doesn't use trademarked terms like 'Volks' or fabric patterns that's © Volks, it seems they are in the clear.

 

It would be possible to copy a DD head by casting it in resin, but I haven't yet seen it done.

The AC ones just don't look as good. I saw them on the site without realizing they were based off Volks outfits, but they didn't look good enough to order...

It looks to me like they just designed something that looks similar (very similar but not identical), but I don't know that it will be competition for Volks :/

It looks to me like they just designed something that looks similar (very similar but not identical), but I don't know that it will be competition for Volks :/

 

I agree. The maid one above doesn't do much for me because the hem and ruffles don't look right to me.

Tsk! Volks bootleg?! I could do that! easy!!,

 

 

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Just reminds me of off-brand clothing you see in magazines Like 'here's the $500 dress, but you can have this similar one for $150 to get the look!'.

Just reminds me of off-brand clothing you see in magazines Like 'here's the $500 dress, but you can have this similar one for $150 to get the look!'.

 

 

Ya I agree they're similiar but not the same quality. I also didn't notice these were even the same until the comparative pics above

i haven't seen bootleg Dollfie Dreams..

but i have seen bootleg outfits on taobao...

 

 

Link:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-2737618467.79.MorX2f&id=20798123967

Here is another one I found of Alice Collections impersonating Volks Sailor Tulle Set~

http://www.acbjd.com/g202-p-6033.html

i cant help but wonder that if volks made enough to go around, they could prevent these practices

Oddly enough, I think the AC G170 was out prior to Volks. I have seen that fashion on their site for quite some time. Hmmm...

But I agree with everyone about the quality of the AC and other copies. They don't compare in the least. You can tell they are not Volks even in photos.

 

The style is similar, very similar. But not quality.

it also on volks site now : http://www.volks.co.jp/page.jsp?id=71364&version=en#en

But I agree with everyone about the quality of the AC and other copies. They don't compare in the least. You can tell they are not Volks even in photos.

 

The style is similar, very similar. But not quality.

 

If you're referring to the AC I think you are, I really like a lot of their products. I feel they're quite good.

 

That being said, every Volks product I've purchased so far has been superior in quality.

it also on volks site now : http://www.volks.co.jp/page.jsp?id=71364&version=en#en

 

If the turkeys who do this kind of thing would put as much effort into honest, legitimate endeavours, they would be millionaires by now. Instead, they spend all their time looking for ways to take advantage of other people! I just hate that!! (one of my 'pet peeves'!!) Not being nearly as knowledgeable as most people on DD's, now I'm going to have to be very, very careful...*thinking I may have to ask people here for help if I'm not sure about something but would like to buy it*

 

If you're referring to the AC I think you are, I really like a lot of their products. I feel they're quite good.

 

That being said, every Volks product I've purchased so far has been superior in quality.

I think AC has good quality products in general, and especially good compared to regular non BJD doll stuff. But compared to high quality stuff like Volks and Tree Design (in my limited experience, since I don't buy a lot of clothes), AC stuff definitely isn't as nice in the detail, material, and fit. Some of their stuff is really inexpensive though, and they do free shipping, so I'll probably buy from them again in the future.

If you're referring to the AC I think you are, I really like a lot of their products. I feel they're quite good.

That being said, every Volks product I've purchased so far has been superior in quality.

 

I have always thought Alice is like the H&M in the BJD world (price and quality wise) They see what is popular and remake it. Looks like the original (except for a few details/fabric) and is therefor cheaper.

 

Just reminds me of off-brand clothing you see in magazines Like 'here's the $500 dress, but you can have this similar one for $150 to get the look!'.

 

Pretty much what Yuan wrote

Exactly Avina. Or the guy that makes the replicas of red carpet and wedding dresses at budget prices....oh, what is the name...ABS! Allen Schwartz.

 

The dresses are similar in style and color, but different fabric and trims. Instead of handmade details, they are machined and more mass-produced.

 

Still, they are lovely dresses. I have a few of them in my own closet now.

 

He makes no bones about them NOT being the originals or the same quality. He says they are his own and they are what they are. They are worth the price and many times a better value than the ones he is copying. But he never tries to pass his dresses off AS the originals.

 

I don't think AC ever advertises their items as Volks, nor could they pass them off as such. They are definite style design copies. They are nice quality, too. Similar, but not the same as Volks and most times not made exactly for a DD body.

Hi. Long time no see, but I had a severe case of life

 

Anyway, from fb account of one of doll recasters out there:

 

dd doll make recast doll have people like？

 

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-21713835.17.h5EUVN&id=19911016393

 

The auction link points to DD Lucy as a reference.

I highly doubt the possibility for him to make a working copy of Lucy for 256$, EMS included.

Probably he never seen a DD before (at least "inside") and is thinking about buying one for recasting, if there will be demand. Well, there are some people interested.

So far the question "Made of Resin or Vinyl?" someone made remains unanswered.

Oof, that would be weird to see a resin version of a Dollfie Dream. However, if they recast them in vinyl, how would we tell what is fake and what's not? I feel like I should try to get the dolls I want now, before knockoffs are made and hide among the general vinyl populace, like Skrulls. Who can you trust after that? Maybe they'll be weirdly deformed and easy to pick out. D: