DDs and Den of Angels...

I was going to put this in the off-topic section, but I thought that this needed to be more visible.

 

Den of Angels is currently down for maintenance until Nov 7th, but they have a small part of the site still open. Just this morning I saw that they had put up a poll concerning possible revision of the types of dolls that should be on-topic there, and the question of whether vinyls, specifically Dollfie Dreams, should remain or be removed was part of the poll.

 

Dollfie Dreams have a long history in the BJD hobby, and though we now have several places other than DoA (namely here and figure(dot)fm if it ever comes back) to talk about them, I think it's important that they remain "grandfathered in" on the largest BJD forum on the 'net. I think if we lost the ability to talk about them openly over there, we'd be losing a valuable resource.

 

So if you have a DoA account, get over there and vote!

 

(BTW, if you don't currently have a DoA account and have been wanting one, now's your chance. Open registration will start once they get the forum back up and will run til the end of November.)

 

Sorry if this isn't in the right place, Averis, but DDs need to be championed!

http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?545854-Bored-Answer-a-question-or-two!

Link is in the first post if someone has trouble locating this.

To tell you the truth, I don't really know why DDs matter as far as DoA goes. They only let you talk about DDs in one thread on the main forums, so there's much better discussion here. Also, there's rarely DD specific items on the marketplace there (and you can typically find better deals here anyway). There's nothing that prevents DD owners from going there to use the marketplace to buy clothes or to contact artists for faceups or whatever even if DDs were considered off-topic.

To tell you the truth, I don't really know why DDs matter as far as DoA goes. They only let you talk about DDs in one thread on the main forums, so there's much better discussion here. Also, there's rarely DD specific items on the marketplace there (and you can typically find better deals here anyway). There's nothing that prevents DD owners from going there to use the marketplace to buy clothes or to contact artists for faceups or whatever even if DDs were considered off-topic.

 

I do agree with you there the forum isn't overly friendly to DD and obitsu at this time. the reson I only go on to Doa nowadays is to see what DD/obitsus are for sale. and as soon as I sell my obitsu Hanuka I wont have a reson to go on that often.

 

That's why I love it here! I can finally talk about my obitsus without guessing if its the right place since the Obitsu/SQ lab part of the forum

I know I put my two cents in.. Though it was written politely, I made my position quite clear.

 

DOA has a piss poor reputation with most doll owners due to their elitist nature, which I happily spelled out to them. I have friends in the Ohio Doll community that are Mods on DOA. I plan to discuss with them how big a pile of BS this moving Vinyl dolls off-topic is.

 

Even though many of you, and I included don't use DOA very often because of their snobbish nature and general distaste for our dolls. I think it's important that we post and let our voices be heard. If for no other reason than to be a big old pain in their ass.

DOA has a piss poor reputation with most doll owners due to their elitist nature

 

You are hopefully aware of the fact that a forum is not some thing that has an own mind/character but is actually made of users that are all different?

DoA is not elitist and behaves badly, it's a bunch of user that does while the rest is actually quite normal and just enjoying the hobby.

The rules might seem a bit harsh sometimes, but a forum is still a privately owned thing and they don't need to do what others want, no matter how much people might complain.

I must admit though I think it's good they make this poll and might get rid of this "asian aesthetics" critieria.

 

I know that DDs are grandfathered for some reason, but must admit that I don't see the point in that while some resin BJDs are claimed off-topic for whatever weird reason they find for that.

I'm not against keeping DDs on-topic, but since they are only barely visible on the forum anyway and sold rarely on there, and the important parts like face-up artists and the marketplace are still useable no matter if they are on-topic or not, I don't really see the problem in making them off-topic.

I still voted for them being on-topic, since it doesn't harm.

DOA has a piss poor reputation with most doll owners due to their elitist nature

 

You are hopefully aware of the fact that a forum is not some thing that has an own mind/character but is actually made of users that are all different?

DoA is not elitist and behaves badly, it's a bunch of user that does while the rest is actually quite normal and just enjoying the hobby.

The rules might seem a bit harsh sometimes, but a forum is still a privately owned thing and they don't need to do what others want, no matter how much people might complain.

I must admit though I think it's good they make this poll and might get rid of this "asian aesthetics" critieria.

 

I know that DDs are grandfathered for some reason, but must admit that I don't see the point in that while some resin BJDs are claimed off-topic for whatever weird reason they find for that.

I'm not against keeping DDs on-topic, but since they are only barely visible on the forum anyway and sold rarely on there, and the important parts like face-up artists and the marketplace are still useable no matter if they are on-topic or not, I don't really see the problem in making them off-topic.

I still voted for them being on-topic, since it doesn't harm.

 

Ohh I'm very much aware of this fact, but one can also like most forums get a general feel of a general attitude. Which for all intents and purposes allows for the personification of said forum. Irregardless though, you are correct.

 

The reason for the grandfathering of Dollfie Dreams was the fact that they were orginally strung dolls like BJDs. This was before the advent of the DD II body with it's internal skeleton. You are correct , they are barely visible, the reason for this is the constraints placed upon them by DOA. Your correct it is a privately run forum, no doubt. So is this one, but this forum does allow discussion of off-topic dolls and even has a specific spot for said dolls. Considering this forum is very clearly geared towards a specific type of doll, thats quite a thing. DOA on the other hand is really more geared to many different styles of dolls as evidenced by the sheer number of different BJDs on the market. So why the push to segregate against one type of doll or another?

I think the problem with DoA and any forum that gets bigger simply is:

You need to make rather firm rules and set a certain border what is allowed and what not, especially when it's a very specific forum that tries to please a certain interest, in this case collecting BJDs.

Because as soon as something gets too big and you still allow too much, it's hard to handle.

However, in case of DoA I think they are sometimes crossing their own borders a biiiiit too much, especially regarding off-topic dolls.

 

This forum here is compared to DoA rather small, so taking care for off-topic areas is rather easy, while DoA is just so goddamn huge that every new thing you have to take care of takes time away you need for the "important" things.

 

You are correct , they are barely visible, the reason for this is the constraints placed upon them by DOA.

 

I think it's also because the majority of DoA users are rather specific into BJDs or are visiting DoA because of that. I don't expect BJDs to be commented and talked about much here either and I'm content with the one thread we have about resin dolls here

I actually dislike forums that have a too wide spectrum of things they try to offer, but must admit that I enjoy the many chatting threads DoA has due their downtime right now because I see what others are also interested at besides of BJDs.

 

However, others are rather narrow-interested when it comes to their collecting, and when they visit a BJD forum they want to see BJDs only.

On the one hand I think it's awesome we have one big BJD forum that is 98% BJD, on the other I think getting a bit more chilled would be good for DoA.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Guest

I joined up on DoA well before this forum was available. And there has ALWAYS been an attitude there, not just towards DD's but towards all sorts of things.

 

The main reason I even went there in the first place was to find meetups near me to go to and meet other people who had DD's. I was lucky to find some locals to meet with and all of them were very nice to me and enjoyed being able to see a DD in person. I still meet with these people even tho I rarely visit DoA anymore. But I also went to meets in Raleigh where the same eliteist attitudes and ideals online were firmly in place in real life. People were curious about the DD's when I first started showing up at meets but after the newness wore off, I was completely ignored by everyone there except for one or two friends I knew prior to going to those meets.

 

The ONLY reason I even go to DoA anymore is for these meetup threads. Otherwise, everything there is geared towards resins and anything else is seen as EVIL. Confinement to ONE thread on a forum as big as DoA is utterly stupid in my opinion. How can you help grow a hobby by keeping people on lockdown like that?

 

In my opinion, DoA can kiss my butt. Yes, there may be a few finds here and there on the marketplace but actually finding them is a chore in and of itself. That place is so mismanaged and setup so awkwardly it's amazing people find ANYTHING there.

 

But besides that, to me it's like others here have said, the overall attitude of that place is very against DD's and for stupid reasons. If they want DD's gone, let them deem them OT so I won't have to go back there again. Why share our beautiful girls with them if they don't want them around?

 

I'll go vote to keep DD's on topic tho if only to keep them around and piss everyone off who doesn't like them over there.

 

 

 

Billy

I joined up on DoA well before this forum was available. And there has ALWAYS been an attitude there, not just towards DD's but towards all sorts of things.

 

But isn't that the same on many other, rather specific forums too?

A friend of mine was big into Sybarites before she started collecting BJDs, and boooy...if she even mentioned BJDs on that forum she was laughed at and people made fun of BJDs.

Same for Blythe owners that don't like BJDs and vice versa.

 

It's the same if I'd go on a forum for Apple products and start talking about how much I like my similiar product from "insert other company here".

 

Even though I think people still should remain nice and tolerate as much as possible, I think expecting everyone to like everything is a bit too much. You always have your snobby meanies that don't like DDs for example because they are...whatever, the "creepy anime dolls", but you get that the other way around too, I saw DD collectors say things like "OMG; why would you buy a resin doll, they will yellow anyway and are ugly compared to my DD girls" too.

 

Sure, you have your people that enjoy a wide spectrum of things and can handle that, but guess what happens when you start posting your Anime Resin Kits on a forum for...lets say Airship Resin Kits.

They will give you a strange look too, and even though DD and BJDs are both dolls they are just aesthetically sooo different that for some people it's hard to be interested in it.

Will do. I think that even if they are not made in resin they're still 100% worthy to remain there, and to be considered a BJD. C'mon, it's not like things as Monster High or Barbies, DDs are not *toys*, I can't understand why they would remove them from the DoA database.

I voted for them to stay on topic. I think a lot of the elitism would really dissipate if dolls weren't the absolute only things people could talk about on doa. Because there's only so much you can agree with someone before they start getting slightly more and more extreme on thinking their way is absolute and that anybody that has a differed opinion is so polar opposite wrong that that the elitist attitude is formed.

 

I wish they would keep that off topic section. That's what I would vote on if nothing else.

I love how they're trying to "phase them out".

 

Seriously? Dollfie Dreams are what started many bjd collectors.

 

Believe it or not, at one time they were going fairly cheaply compared to a lot of other resin bjds.

 

While I don't really use DoA anymore, I do hope that they keep DD's and Obitsu stuff around.

Currently a member of both forums, have a different sig over there but I must say I started ABJD couple of years ago and never felt elitistism on DOA.

 

Most members I talk to and get ideas are down to earth friendly. here on the other hand its a different story .. Just like the other day I try to sell something which is really cheap for her current price, still asking for a lil bit haggling. I compensate still not enough. they just turn rude and downright insulting.. as an adult I just ignore and brush it off, it depends really its more of whats in the mix.

 

But I rather have a small DD community over there, just in case.

If ever there's an elitism over at DOA it must be started by underage minds who doesn't even know how to enjoy and share their hobby.

I'm a DOA member but now I hardly ever visit. My posts never want to show up and it's very irritating. I participated in the poll and voted to keep DDs on topic. Are there actually members there who constantly complain about vinyl dolls? I've never even noticed.

 

I'll go vote to keep DD's on topic tho if only to keep them around and piss everyone off who doesn't like them over there.

 

Heh, my same exact thought. Just vote them on topic purely to spite those who seem to have some strange opposition toward them.

 

Honestly speaking, I don't consider Dollfie Dreams to be a BJD. They imo do not make the requirements, but I like the fact they are grandfathered in to DoA just because it means it is another place I can post pictures when I bother to and because sometimes people do sell them at a good price and I do sell over there as well. They also have great source for updates sometimes and it is nice to be able to get all the Volks updates that also include DD.

 

I've stopped being active within DoA for quite a while honestly speaking. I come around when Volks updates nifty things but even now I honestly just don't give a damn what people say or think about them. It is a forum for collecting a specific area of dolls. I still don't understand how people can think that something that is a hobby-related forum can not have some bad mixed into it? People are far too touchy and hobbies seem to bring that out even more, so honestly it is all kinda expected. Luckily, it is also easily ignored. ^^

Where is this poll? I'd like to keep DDs on DoA, naturally.

 

I haven't found too much elitism on DoA, but then again I do spend a lot of time in the DD discussion threads, and in the workshop subforum, where it's more about the stuff you make than the doll you make it for. Even if DDs do end up off topic, I'll probably still pop in once in a while to look at the workshop section and the marketplace, but would naturally post less.

It's right here: http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?545854-Bored-Answer-a-question-or-two!

 

If the link doesn't work, click announcements.

I voted.

 

However, I feel if they have to have a poll about something particular like that, then their hope is to be able to phase it out anyways. Otherwise, why ask at all?

I voted.

 

They have a lot of nerve trying to phase out something that has been grandfathered in since Day 1.

maybe its a good thing

I have been a long time member of DoA becuase of the fact that I also collect BJD's. I would never have learned about DD's if it wasn't for DoA. I am voting to keep them on since I feel that they go hand in hand with BJD's....

 

I have also never felt any elitsm over there...they do have a bunch of strict rules but I believe that is par for the course when you have such a giant forum!

 

I am so happy I discovered the joy of DD and am happy we have this forum over here!!!!!!

i like being a member of DoA + i collect BJDs (i own more BJD than DD), but i'll be the first to say that anything DD related outside of the discussion thread is practically ignored.

 

one of the reasons i wanted to start our own version of their photo-games threads was i was the only person who i -ever- saw post a DD in a photo game thread. and even if DDs are on topic, i felt kind of weird about it, like i wasn't "supposed" to do it because DoA is an ABJD forum.

 

i think that DoA shouldnt be so close minded about dolls but then again, like other people said, this forum is much more resourceful and friendly when it comes to things like this. so if they do get banned from DoA i can't say i will be surprised or hurt because we still have dollfiedreams.com ~ which is far more important.

Most members I talk to and get ideas are down to earth friendly. here on the other hand its a different story .. Just like the other day I try to sell something which is really cheap for her current price, still asking for a lil bit haggling. I compensate still not enough. they just turn rude and downright insulting.. as an adult I just ignore and brush it off, it depends really its more of whats in the mix.

 

That's not elitism though. That's just a rude buyer. You'll run into the same attitude if you sell elsewhere online and *especially* if you've ever worked at a retail store. Trust me, I used to work retail back in high school. I got that attitude on a near daily basis. You just have to let it roll off your back.

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I heard the same thing from a friend who works at a retail store. she's dreading to get to work everyday

Well most of the members here are really decent and have courtesy, most of the lot I get to know well.

Its just "some" which are unavoidable bad eggs which is normal anywhere. totally agree with you

 

Also voted. DD are ancient same goes with the bjd's.. looks like they want to make DOA as resin doll per se.