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I've not given it much thought because I am a straight female collector. Though I know my friends may think it odd that I prefer to collect only gals, and then dress them up in slightly shmexy outfits. While I'm straight, I do see the female form (especially anime ones) as very pretty and attractive and I just prefer the aesthetic of a DD girl. There's so many more options for styles/outfits/etc imo.

 

I could see the weird feelings that could arise if I went to a DD event in Japan -- as you're more likely to have mostly guy collectors and be very outnumbered. It was the same thing as being into video games back in the 80s. Just dont let that deter you from going after what you like


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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful replies ^^

 

My experience visiting Volks store in Akihabara was of feeling very uncomfortable, knowing that me just quietly being there was bothering other companies. It's nice to see that attitudes in the Western community are totally opposite to those in Japan in terms of gender stereotyping >_<

 

You and I had VERY different experiences at the Volks Akihabara store. The first time I went in there I was dressed in the poofiest of lolita - but I'm 5'10" with blonde hair and blue eyes! I had a great time in the showroom looking at all the setups and searching through the consignments. The second time I went the manager was in and we talked for easily half an hour or longer - he used to work at the Volks USA showroom and had come back to Japan. We talked about Dollfie Dream and I showed him pictures of my girls... I never felt like I was bothering anyone by being in there - or any of the other stores I was in while in Akiba.

 

Even when I attended Dolpa both archangeli and myself had a wonderful meet and greet with the president of Volks, who even grabbed his daughter and brought her over to meet us.

 

This whole thread is a surprise. I never felt like I was intruding on a hobby that wasn't aimed at me. I've always just liked what I liked and just did it. I'm used to being in a male-dominated environment though, I did my undergrad in engineering and now I work in construction and manufacturing.


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Haha, I'm short, dumpy, geeky and dark haired, so I don't count as a mysterious Western girl XD

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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful replies ^^

 

My experience visiting Volks store in Akihabara was of feeling very uncomfortable, knowing that me just quietly being there was bothering other companies. It's nice to see that attitudes in the Western community are totally opposite to those in Japan in terms of gender stereotyping >_<

 

You and I had VERY different experiences at the Volks Akihabara store. The first time I went in there I was dressed in the poofiest of lolita - but I'm 5'10" with blonde hair and blue eyes! I had a great time in the showroom looking at all the setups and searching through the consignments. The second time I went the manager was in and we talked for easily half an hour or longer - he used to work at the Volks USA showroom and had come back to Japan. We talked about Dollfie Dream and I showed him pictures of my girls... I never felt like I was bothering anyone by being in there - or any of the other stores I was in while in Akiba.

 

Even when I attended Dolpa both archangeli and myself had a wonderful meet and greet with the president of Volks, who even grabbed his daughter and brought her over to meet us.

 

This whole thread is a surprise. I never felt like I was intruding on a hobby that wasn't aimed at me. I've always just liked what I liked and just did it. I'm used to being in a male-dominated environment though, I did my undergrad in engineering and now I work in construction and manufacturing.

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Thank you everyone for the thoughtful replies ^^

 

My experience visiting Volks store in Akihabara was of feeling very uncomfortable, knowing that me just quietly being there was bothering other companies. It's nice to see that attitudes in the Western community are totally opposite to those in Japan in terms of gender stereotyping >_<

 

Can't help but ask: Were the majority of the other visitors perhaps male?

 

Kayo (longtime Volks employee that was moved from the Japanese branch to the American branch) of Tenshi no Sumika ... said that it's likely because there is a different kind of pride associated with DD's there-- where your doll truly IS your wife/girlfriend, and that to have an actual partner would trample on that and ruin your street cred as a true collector.

 

Based on what Chien said, my guess is that if they were mainly males and see DDs mainly as wife/gf substitutes, then they were probably uncomfortable with women in general and not nececarily because your "intrusion" on a male hoby.

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I think they're all a bunch of degenerates and they scare me immensely!

 

(Just kidding..well, mostly...a couple of them are worse dirty old men than most dirty old men I know).

 

It's not something that I've ever really considered. Most of the people that I've met who collect BJDs have been female, so if anything, I feel like I'm intruding into their hobby rather than vice-versa.

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the living breathing daughter or the dollie kind?

 

Probably Mikey, and not the doll. Calling Dollfie Dreams "daughters" was popularized by Danny Choo-- in the Asian fandom, the more common term is "wife/girlfriend." For some collectors, I think the term "wife/girlfriend" is a lot more appropriate than "daughter," actually. Anyway, the current president of Volks' daughter is known as Mikey, a very influential BJD artist.

 

Oh, that reminds me of some wonderful stories! She's such a wonderfully encouraging artist who helped run the doll make-up classes in the past. I met her once at a Dolpa banquet in LA, and she saw one of my first face-ups (it was reeeeeally bad) while walking by my dinner table. I was freaking out when she said it was cute. What an encouraging artist. :,D I try to be just as encouraging as her to other artists. When one of my friends quit the doll hobby, she attended a Dolpa and got a One-off. As the president of Volks and Mikey spoke to her later about the One-off, she told them about how she was going to quit the hobby but cherish the dolls that she had-- however, they would no longer see her at any future events. She had seen them many times in the past by attending many Dolpas. Mikey started to cry and she and her father both wished my friend well and said they would miss seeing her familiar face.

 

tl;dr It was probably the president's daughter, Mikey. Mikey and her dad are really good at fostering lasting customer relations! :p

 

sleepywolf, that may be the case too! Like I said, there is a sense of pride for being the Biggest, Most Loyal Fan. Part of why Twilight was such a big thing was that the marketing people encouraged the fans to try to outdo each other. If you were THE biggest "Twitard," that was something to be extremely proud of. Becoming a truly "herbivorous" man and eventually ascending into "sagehood" is something that, in some circles, really mean something. Thus, dedicating yourself to your pure, vinyl wife is seen as extremely noble. Having any kind of partner would ruin that. The way people trash-talked the guy who destroyed his copy of Love Plus upon getting married is a good example of that.

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babytarragon

Yeah they were all middle aged men, the only other girls in the shop were staff. So hopefully you can see where I got the image I had of this hobby. Then there's Danny Choo, a kind of celeb collector whose meet pics only reinforced my image.

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Like a lot of people, I was kinda surprised at this thread too because the question never even entered my head as to why I, a straight female, mom of one (soon to be two), wife of a straight, manly male gundam collector, would collect and actually love these super sexy dolls? I just really liked them I guess? Never once did I feel like I was intruding into the male hobby, quite the opposite really as I thought collecting girl dolls was the norm for my gender. Never even crossed my mind that it was odd for a girl to collect DDs or those lovely female IH dolls, but then again I like what I like. It never stopped me from getting into collecting figures which is for me, geared more towards the male market as well. I love how they all looked.

 

As for us females being limited to collecting all those hunky male BJDs, that stereotyping kinda gets me. I don't know if its true for the majority of the resin hobby as I don't spend that much time on DOA to get that feel but if there's anything that would weird me out is if anyone pointed out to me that I should be collecting boy dolliehs instead of girl ones. It would be like saying I want the boys as BFs (kinda like how the Japanese men think of their DDs as GFs or waifus. I have two resin boys and one 2 vinyl ones and I like them because I like them, mostly because I think my girls should have some boyfriends or someone to fawn over or be annoyed with.

 

Anyway, to go back to your original question as to:

 

 

So, how do you feel about the invasion of girls in this hobby?

 

 

Nothing. Don't feel anything. Never even thought about it being an exclusively male hobby. Thanks for asking it though as it did make me pause and think and consider how things never turn out the way people want to. I'm sure the Volks people in Japan never thought the DDs would be a big hit with the women as well. I'm just glad they made them.


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As for us females being limited to collecting all those hunky male BJDs, that stereotyping kinda gets me. I don't know if its true for the majority of the resin hobby as I don't spend that much time on DOA to get that feel but if there's anything that would weird me out is if anyone pointed out to me that I should be collecting boy dolliehs instead of girl ones. It would be like saying I want the boys as BFs (kinda like how the Japanese men think of their DDs as GFs or waifus. I have two resin boys and one 2 vinyl ones and I like them because I like them, mostly because I think my girls should have some boyfriends or someone to fawn over or be annoyed with.

 

 

On DoA at least, there are plenty of female doll owners who are only interested in female dolls. And there are doll owners who get both male and female dolls. And, it's definitely not the norm for female doll owners to perv on their male dolls... They get male dolls because they like male characters and male sculpts, not because they want to perv on a doll -_-

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I love the fact that there are so many female DD collectors around. It helps me feel a lot less uncomfortable. There DOES tend to be the strong stereotype that male DD owners must all be perverts who are only into sexualizing their dolls, possibly because of their proportions, but I think also because that is a lot of the pictures that you tend to run across, especially on the "chan" boards. But with so many women collecting them as well, I can point to that and say "See, this isn't just about big boobs and skinny waists, and it isn't jsut a hobby for dirty old men and pervy adolescent boys!" Sure a lot of people may still think that a boy collecting dolls must not be totally straight, but I really don't consider that to be much of an insult. And since I've been married for over 14 years, I'm not especially concerned at all about what others might think of my orientation.


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The only other person I knew of who collected Dollfie Dreams at my college when I was still attending was someone who would post scandalous photos of his DD's in skimpy outfits on Facebook, so yanno... that doesn't help the stereotype. There were a few times people were talking smack about "those creepy anime dolls" in that general circle of nerds, and I busted out a laptop to show some of my favorite DD photographers on Flickr (AZURE_TB!!!!!!) to try to dispel the myth.

 

If anything, a lot of people also collect dolls to be reflections of themselves. My DD and two of my resin BJDs are all gender variant. uwu

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Katnaper, it's not on DOA but at meets where I feel like there's a stereotype for girls to have some kind of resin boyfriend. My cute female dolls don't really fit in and I've even been called 'creepy' for having girl dolls... Little hypocritical, heh.

 

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Interesting discussion!

I came into DDs through BJDs and Den of Angels forum which is very female-dominated, both in population and moderation. I may have gotten into BJDs earlier but my first impression was a lot of expensive under-aged yaoi-ish dolls and it turned me off. I'm glad that the DD community is pretty diverse and accepting of all types, not dominated by a certain look or style. Personally I'm female and have all girl dolls, I like to sew for them and dress them in outfits I would never wear myself

 

My impression of doll collectors in Japan was pretty good, actually- I saw a lot of girls with dolls in carriers meeting up at the Volks store in Harajuku, and at the Doll-K shop in Akiba. In Volks Shinjuku I saw a girl and her male pal (boyfriend?) sitting at the counter together to design their custom SD. Volks Akiba was mostly guys but they didn't see put off by me, just the usual super-polite Japanese behavior. However being in a mostly male industry I'm used to being around nerdy guys all the time, and being an oblivious nerd myself they'd have to do something really outlandish for me to notice it. ^_^;

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This has been an interesting thread! So much to read and ponder. (I hope I got all my quotes right!) I found out a couple years ago that in Japan DDs are a male-oriented hobby, and I've told a few friends that, but Americans seem to have a hard time with that concept! They don't believe me. And if I show the guys a sexy girl doll in person, they shy away from it like it will burn them if it touches them. LOL!

 

The only reason I feel out of place with my friends is because I collect dolls at ALL. I've never felt out of place among other doll enthusiasts, male or female. Well, other than the fact that my dolls are rather ordinary and everyday in their looks and dress, not fantastic or supernatural or otherwise "odd". Mine are always the "plainest" at the meetup.

 

'cause still remember years ago (oh god, when did I get this old) buying a SEGA Chara doll at an anime con, and my guy friends were super-excited about getting their fav anime chara in doll-form and being able to change her armor (but then suddenly erupting into nervous embarrassed laughs once it was pointed out there we were, one girl and a bunch of guys in a room, and the girl wasn't the one playing dress-ups with dolls)

That's priceless! Love it.

 

But then "girls intruding on male hobbies" seems to be a freakin THEME the last year or so. Where every single hobby is suddenly made to sound like something made for boys-only (from comics to freakin ponies)

OT, but I do NOT get the "brony" thing at ALL!! WAY creepier than DDs!

 

For example, I bought some sexy (miniskirt) but adorable (frills!) nurse outfits from Dollheart recently. I showed my husband, my parents and even my friends with great glee. From my friends (doll owners and not) I got "That's so you! It's medical related and it's your favorite colors!", from my mother I got "Aw.. they match! I love that lab coat" and from my husband I got "Well, it's you... but if you were a boy, people'd think you were creepy. You know that right?"

What an astute statement from your husband! Love it. It's amusing how your parents and friends saw the dolls in relation to your taste, in comparison to your husband.

 

I think I'm in a very small minority (of female straight) who is not comfortable with the sexy part of the DDs but I just ignore it... I was into resin (female) dolls but was looking for anime dolls and didn't find as beautiful ones in resin, and I much prefer vinyl too. I can't help, I'm in total love with these dolls over anything else, so well, I just stay away from NSFW and just enjoy the beautiful dolls . But I'm a little afraid of doll meets for example as I would be even more uncomfortable irl if the theme of the meet is super sexy oriented, it was easier for me with resin-collecting gals for that ^^. And yes, because of that I really feel I'm intruding because I do not really fit in but I love DDs too much to give up

I don't think you're in a small minority. I have never been into "girly" things, and never had much interest in making my dolls look sexy. In fact, most of my BJDs are boys, and my first few girls were cute school-age ones, because I never thought I would be able to dress and play with a sexy mature girl. I thought I would be uncomfortable with her. But my younger girl characters are VERY girly, and now I have some mature and very sexy resin girls too. I have no problems with them. And I specifically LIKE the DD girls because they are cute and girly. Sexy comes third. (And I love the anime esthetic, too.) It really surprises me that I feel that way. But I think of them as sexy, not sexual. I do hope you enjoy your dolls in a way that makes you happy, it sounds like you do.

 

And, it's definitely not the norm for female doll owners to perv on their male dolls... They get male dolls because they like male characters and male sculpts, not because they want to perv on a doll -_-

I wish that was true, but I have seen lots of American women online virtually drooling on "hunky" resin males. I think it's the herd dynamic, though. One of them does it, and they all follow due to peer pressure. You wouldn't believe the talk unless you've seen it -- and it does come across as pervy to me.

 

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Katnaper, it's not on DOA but at meets where I feel like there's a stereotype for girls to have some kind of resin boyfriend. My cute female dolls don't really fit in....

 

I have felt this way sooooo much too! YAH! I'm not alone.

 

While there are many boy dolls I like, I always end up with girl dolls because I just like them a lot. Most of my ABJD friends collect boy dolls. It's not that they don't like girls, it's just they always end up getting boys. I can't judge them for that, but I do feel left out sometimes.

 

I wish that was true, but I have seen lots of American women online virtually drooling on "hunky" resin males. I think it's the herd dynamic, though. One of them does it, and they all follow due to peer pressure. You wouldn't believe the talk unless you've seen it -- and it does come across as pervy to me.

 

This is a good example of what I meant. When the yaoi-ness starts up I feel very left out. I used to be into it when I was 16, but it makes me uncomfortable now because it can get too sexual and I feel like it's very exploitative. I'm all for over the top sexuality but there is a time and place for it (18+ panels, private homes, strip clubs, etc).

 

I just don't feel right posing my dolls in a graphic manner (Esp. in public! I don't want my butt arrested by some protective mom!). It's weird that posing a girl sexually has a pervert stigma, but somehow it's okay to do it to the boys? Double standard much.

 

Now, I am in no way saying that every meet devolves into "sex up the pretty boys pervert-dom". 95% of the time I have a great time and people are fantastic. I've only seen it once or twice, but it made me feel uncomfortable.

 

I have to admit, one of the things that drew me to DDs is the fact that all the DD collectors I knew were very happy, fun, calm and excited about the frills, shoes, clothing etc. Seriously, it's like going to the mall with my friends again. Love it!


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I wish that was true, but I have seen lots of American women online virtually drooling on "hunky" resin males. I think it's the herd dynamic, though. One of them does it, and they all follow due to peer pressure. You wouldn't believe the talk unless you've seen it -- and it does come across as pervy to me.

This is a good example of what I meant. When the yaoi-ness starts up I feel very left out. I used to be into it when I was 16, but it makes me uncomfortable now because it can get too sexual and I feel like it's very exploitative. I'm all for over the top sexuality but there is a time and place for it (18+ panels, private homes, strip clubs, etc).

Actually, I'm not talking about the (usually younger) yaoi crowd, I'm speaking of the older straight women. Though it can apply to the yaoi fans the same way! Some of the forums I visit are frequented by older, more "traditional" doll collectors, and I do wonder sometimes if they're drooling over the hugely muscled male resin dolls because they're not happy at home! But I don't want to stray too far off topic of DDs. It is an interesting double standard, though, with the guys and their attitudes toward the DDs, and these women with their attitudes toward the big resin dolls.

 

I have to admit, one of the things that drew me to DDs is the fact that all the DD collectors I knew were very happy, fun, calm and excited about the frills, shoes, clothing etc. Seriously,

it's like going to the mall with my friends again. Love it!

That is an aspect I do like about the DDs at meetups! I think I will enjoy dressing my DD girls in something fluffy and frilly, I just love how cute they are. And meeting people who feel the same way will be nice. Not many of my BJD friends like the anime esthetic of DDs.

 

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I realize that the few meets I've attended in France were girls owners with girl dolls only (it was a few years ago, each one introducing a type/size of doll to the others, I was the only one with a vinyl one at that time, MDD Mirai, just received from Volks ). I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable either in meets with resin boys only and girls drooling over them ^^'...

I have to admit, one of the things that drew me to DDs is the fact that all the DD collectors I knew were very happy, fun, calm and excited about the frills, shoes, clothing etc. Seriously, it's like going to the mall with my friends again. Love it!

 

That is the kind of meet I would like to attend too, for sure .

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Actually, I'm not talking about the (usually younger) yaoi crowd, I'm speaking of the older straight women. Though it can apply to the yaoi fans the same way! Some of the forums I visit are frequented by older, more "traditional" doll collectors, and I do wonder sometimes if they're drooling over the hugely muscled male resin dolls because they're not happy at home! But I don't want to stray too far off topic of DDs. It is an interesting double standard, though, with the guys and their attitudes toward the DDs, and these women with their attitudes toward the big resin dolls.

 

Ah yeah.... I understand now. I've also seen that too... It's fine to love the body but when you go crazy over it in public, it gets a bit awkward. I'd feel the same if a bunch of DD owners started the oppai discussion in great length. It's one thing to go "these dolls have beautiful breasts" or "these dolls have gorgeous abs". I'm all for appreciating the these dolls just like you would appreciate the art in Michelangelo's David or artfully posed nude models. There's nothing wrong with admiring the body as it is a truly amazing thing. It's really another thing all together to talk about what you would do sexually to a doll. When you come off sounding like a 13 year old rapper, it's too much.

 

 

That is the kind of meet I would like to attend too, for sure .

Come to Ohiooooooooo (cause that's totally about as feasible as me flying to France). You and I need to babble about teh frillies! The male collectors here (Matt, that's you) are clothes horses just like the girls.

 

The most inappropriate our Aug meet-up ever got was when I started admiring the detailing on a pair of Melty's underwear. I couldn't believe how beautifully intricate they were for doll clothing! I wish people put half as much effort into clothing for people. The tiny bows were so perfect! I wish they would make them into hair clips.

 

Volks, why you no make more hair clips? I have to buy them from Forever 21 and Claire's!


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Someone earlier made the comment that said that they've noticed that at doll meets, they see the DD owners having more fun and being way more accepting and jovial than the resin owners. I have to agree with this from my experiences too.

 

I have nothing against resin owners in general, most of my doll friends now have resins or used to. But at meets, I always noticed that once the resins have been posed on the table or where ever the setup area is, no one messes with them. It's rare to see any of them moved or played with. Now the DD owners, they all pose the girls and come back to them for more posing later. This goes a few ways too. Sometimes it's fun and cute poses, sometimes it's funny stuff like one girl hamming it up with the others and other times it devolves into a sexed up romp, usually when Manami or AsianEd and myself are involved.

 

But it seems that DD owners have more fun with their girls than resin owners do. Now to be honest, my local group has lots of fun with their resins but since a few of them have gotten DD's, they play with and pose those WAY more and are happier looking overall in my opinion. Something about DD's just screams fun and every chance I get, I share that fun with others who don't have DD's yet.

 

 

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But at meets, I always noticed that once the resins have been posed on the table or where ever the setup area is, no one messes with them. It's rare to see any of them moved or played with.

 

... maybe this is because resins are heavier and harder to pose? From my too-few dealings in a resin crowd, that kinda seemed the case....

Like this one time a resin owner was absolutely shocked at how easily Mari could be reposed, because she doesn't have elastics to "snap back" if you bend the elbow or knee past a certain point

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But at meets, I always noticed that once the resins have been posed on the table or where ever the setup area is, no one messes with them. It's rare to see any of them moved or played with.

 

... maybe this is because resins are heavier and harder to pose? From my too-few dealings in a resin crowd, that kinda seemed the case....

Like this one time a resin owner was absolutely shocked at how easily Mari could be reposed, because she doesn't have elastics to "snap back" if you bend the elbow or knee past a certain point

 

 

That's possible but at my local meets, most of the people who have resins that now have DD's too used to pose and mess with their resins for pics and playtime. I'm sure you've seen pics of meets at my house, all sorts of shenanigans occur here with resins and DD's.

 

I mainly meant that when I go out of town to NC or upstate SC, nearly all resin owners just leave their dolls alone and don't try to have any fun with them. On the other hand, Ed and I *always* get into silly antics and such. Maybe it's just that we're good, close friends, I dunno. It just seems to me that the resin owners I've met might adore their dolls a bunch, they just don't show it by playing with them or doing anything with them at meets. I see meets as a place to have as much fun as possible with other owners who love their girls and like to have fun too.

 

 

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I've never been to a meet, so I've no first-hand experience with how people interact with their DDs or resin bjds in person. I was a semi-active member of an online group of American Girl doll collectors at one time, which was mostly female but had a few male members. Try as you might, it's pretty impossible to sexualize an AG-doll so it was a definite shock when I got into resin bjds...

 

I didn't notice so much the lusting after the dolls (at least at first), but the explicit photostories were something I wasn't expecting and just isn't my thing (especially ones depicting abuse, they make me sad and feel rather icky). I hate to say it, but a lot of non-abjd collectors lump us all in as 'pervs' and 'weirdos' based on the actions of the minority who ARE into that kind of thing. I think maybe the DD community might be the same way (at least the non-Japanese DD community). That there are a handful of very active DD owners who post suggestive/explicit photos of their girls, while the DD owners that aren't like that either aren't as active, or are kind of embarrassed to post because they'll get lumped in with the others? Or maybe they do post as much, but the T&A postings are the ones that people notice and remember more?

 

I'm female, and collect mostly female dolls (I do have a resin SDC boy). I like them dressed all prim and proper, and although I'm not a photo-story type of person (I am more into just having them sit there and look pretty), if I did post pics it would be of them being mischievous and doing clever things, rather than flashing their girly bits all over the interwebs.

 

edit: I forgot to answer the original question, lol. As I'm not someone who goes out and interacts with collectors in person it doesn't matter much to me who the intended target audience is. I'm just glad there's forums online (like this one) where collectors more like myself can gather and share. Like any fandom, I find my niche and then pretty much avoid the parts that I don't care for.

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I know for me my resin girls to not pose NEARLY as easily. I also have an older girl so I know there have been improvement on the poseability of most dolls. I also feel like my resin girls are a little more fragile.

They are more like a china doll that you have to be careful with where as DD are like a big barbie type doll.

I'm never afraid to leave them out here or there.

 

 

As far as being female in a male hobby it doesn't bother me one bit. If I like it something, damn it I like it! No one shall stop me

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But at meets, I always noticed that once the resins have been posed on the table or where ever the setup area is, no one messes with them. It's rare to see any of them moved or played with.

It might just be a group dynamic thing. Like, probably most people don't actively play with their dolls, they just pose them prettily and then admire them. So for you and Ed (?), who play a lot with your dolls, other owners seem cold? But you know, my early impression of DDs was that they were fancy and pristine and that they weren't to be handled so much because of their collectible nature...

 

With my doll meet group, we tend to pose the dolls, chat, and sometimes 'play' with each other's dolls or our own dolls. And by 'play', that usually just means picking them up and handling or posing them some. We do talk about some stuff that's more risque than bows on panties, but our meeting place is pretty isolated so it's not that public.

 

 

 

But I feel like some of you are so down on female owners who like male BJDs ;_; Like, it's not weird to like dolls that aren't frilly girls. And here we are with a lot of male DD owners, so why criticize girls for liking male dolls?

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